“Something of Ravenclaw’s or Gryffindor’s”

Jul 22, 2006 03:44


“Something of Ravenclaw’s or Gryffindor’s”

We saw in HBP that Hepzibah Smith was distantly related to Helga Hufflepuff and that Hufflepuff’s gold cup was in her possession. We also saw that Salazar Slytherin’s line ends with T.M. Riddle/Lord Voldemort through the Gaunt family, which was in possession of Slytherin’s gold locket and a Slytherin ( Read more... )

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moonwitch July 22 2006, 08:04:24 UTC
Ah, this is written so well and I find myself agreeing with many of your theories. In particular, the Harry-descended-from-all-founders theory and the theory that the Room of Requirement was made by Rowena Ravenclaw. It will definitely be interesting to see how Rowling is going to fit everything into the last book. :)

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felicitys_mind July 22 2006, 19:14:05 UTC
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Can't wait for the last book!

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meep July 28 2006, 08:02:55 UTC
Reading this post, I think there might be something else -- =Voldemort= is the one with all four founders' blood...but only after he reanimated. He's the last of the Slytherin bloodline, right? (Unless that means he's the last of male-only descent, in which case, forget it.)

The reason I'm thinking this is that Harry could very well be descended from the other three founders, and then when Voldemort reanimates using Harry's blood, he now "has" the blood of all four founders. Remember the gleam of triumph in Dumbledore's eyes when Harry told him about the blood being used in the ceremony?

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meep July 28 2006, 08:03:54 UTC
And I have no idea what it would mean for Voldemort having the blood of all the founders in him. That's a possibility for a redemption that's really bizarre.

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felicitys_mind July 22 2006, 19:24:04 UTC
That's an interesting possibility. My thought is that the Diary was specially enchanted to enable it to possess the person writing in it (that's what made it a weapon in addition to being a Horcrux). The ability of a soul fragment to leave the object it's encased in merely by being worn or handled would, I think, defeat the purpose of a "plain" Horcrux, which is to stay in its object to permanently anchor the soul fragment to the earth. If the tiara is a Horcrux and the soul fragment goes into the person who puts it on, then the fragment has been tranferred to a mortal shell and will be destroyed when that person dies.

It may be that there is some kind of spell that can be used to determine if an object is a Horcrux, but if not, my guess is that a Horcrux can only be identified by detective work. Many people tried to open the heavy gold locket at 12GP without suffering harm, and nether Ginny nor Harry sensed any special connection to it (that we heard about).

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ilcylic September 24 2006, 17:56:52 UTC
Totally unrelated, but far too many years of Dungeons and Dragons and various video game RPGs have made it so that any time any of y'all writes "12GP" as shorthand for Sirius's house, my brain auto translates that into "twelve gold pieces".

"You have defeated Lord Voldemort! You have received 1,000,00 GP. You have receieved 30,000 XP. You have reached a new experience level! Welcome to level 17! You have received the Sword of Gryffindor! (+3 serpent slayer)"

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kenciringione October 17 2008, 08:11:37 UTC
"He made six Horcruxes. Dumbledore thought that my death was meant to be used to make the seventh. That backfired, obviously, so there are only six.

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I'm sorry, I haven't your email - wemyss July 22 2006, 13:01:03 UTC
- That being the better vehicle for trifling corrections; absent email, I've no alternative but to nudge you in public, and remind you that William the Conqueror and William of Orange are two very different people indeed. And it's 'Bilius' and 'Ignatius', sans the 'o'.

I mention all this because I should hate to see such minor slips of the keyboard detract from an otherwise quite clever essay.

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Re: I'm sorry, I haven't your email - felicitys_mind July 22 2006, 14:22:55 UTC
Not at all. Thank you pointing out the errors.

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emurphy42 July 22 2006, 15:28:12 UTC

On a shelf above Dumbledore’s desk is the Sorting Hat, and next to the Sorting Hat is a glass case holding Godric Gryffindor’s sword. These are the only two known Gryffindor relics, and Horcruxes are largely about relics of the four founders of Hogwarts.

the Gryffindor Horcruxes

JKR has explicitly stated that the Sorting Hat isn't one. The sword from CoS seems unlikely, but what are your thoughts for/against - and do we know whether the sword in that glass case is the one from CoS? I've seen a write-up (possibly in this community, within the past month?) to the effect that Godric's ceremonial sword from CoS wasn't, but his everyday-use sword could be.

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felicitys_mind July 22 2006, 16:11:07 UTC
That was a typo that I just corrected; it should have read Gryffindor relics, not Gryffindor Horcruxes (thanks for catching it!). I don't believe the Gryffindor relics in Dumbledore's office are Horcruxes. As you noted, Rowling took the Hat off the table in an interview, and Dumbledore seems confident that the sword couldn't have been made into one ( ... )

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ion_bond July 22 2006, 17:45:37 UTC
Very clever! I like how you account for the practical -- that this is a book, and the last book in the series -- in your theories.

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felicitys_mind July 22 2006, 19:39:21 UTC
Thank you. I'm glad you took the time to read it (I was dying to share it!).

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