this one got pretty long.

[atrata]

It's been a weird day, full of pain-fueled pseudo-fever-dreams about fandom. Every few hours I'd wake up, stagger to the computer, read comments until I couldn't do it anymore, and then stagger back to bed. But I am better now, and I've got some Thinky Thoughts to share.

In unfinished business from the last post: InsaneJournal is not run by 6A,

Comments

[381newmessages]

Yea, a lot of the other comments will actually be helpful in a practical-i-know-what-you're-talking-about-way, but I just wanted to say I'm backing you guys in the quest for a super-duper fan run journal. I don't know what it is exactly, and I don't know if you know, but twocorpses has started something similar; is this in collaboration with that? Anyways, if you need the legal help, I'll be available in about 5 years, but for now, I'll do any slaving you need.

Kara

[emella]

I absolutely LOVE your icon.

Bother!

[slashbluegreen]

I know a company that runs a site with about 30.000 pages with several data-bank based services for its users. To ensure constant availability and service they run a server cluster with three servers plus additional system for back-up. The cost of maintaining the site comes up to $250.000 per year (tax not included). It's full time job for three to four people. The cost of hardware and hosting is not incluced.

Last I heard fandomcounts comes up to 30.000 journals. As these are not only text-only journals and the users would demand constant backup of their pictures, vids, comments etc for years to come you should be aware those are just a part of the overall costs. Even if we should get the design and programming for free, hardware, hosting and support will add to the costs - in addition to the paid accounts I imagine you'd need the capital for a small to medium start-up company to get fanLJ off the ground.

[jakeexperience]

Why not have people do their own hosting for photos with things like flickr and photobucket?

[yevgenie]

Wouldn't we have the same problems there, with regards to posting explicit sexual content? (I don't know; I haven't actually really looked at those services; but I think at least one of them has a big "report objectionable content" button.)

[jakeexperience]

[eanelinea77]

I agree with what you're saying, but speak to twocorpses if you haven't yet. She's in the process of working this out. I'm sure there will be people who will donate money to support this. Just have extra things for them or something like lj did for paid users and permanent users. With what I saw of LJ workers making fun of us (us meaning fandom), I'm definitely all for a massive move. I do know some people, especially some on my on flist, don't want to move and were only on lj for the flists. But I keep pimping you and twocorpses in my entries to try to get my flist to spread the word.

I know a few BNFs you can speak to of at least 2-3 different fandoms.

[alchemia]

will you be on jabber/im today? I would like to ask you about some stuff that'd be faster/easier that way then comments here.

My thoughts, Part One of Two

[bubble_blunder]

Here's my bottom line

Re: My thoughts, Part One of Two

[slashbluegreen]

I agree. Btw the company I mentioned in my post *is* working for a non-profit org and still imo the cost of running and hosting a site that size is way beyond of what fans can realistically afford.

Re: My thoughts, Part One of Two

[atrata]

People keep bringing up overseas servers without considering that if you are running a non-profit in the US you are still going to be subject to US Laws regarding illegal content.

Of course we will. This project never was, and never will be, about finding a safe haven for illegal content. I'm frankly a bit confused by the perception that what we want is a place to go break laws. I have no intention of doing so.