Big promo tour for that big summer movie. RPS fodder appears to be a part of the actors contracts. Very wink wink, nudge nudge. Alas, the group of actors seem to have all gotten different scripts
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Anyone else notice a bit of an upturn in use recently. They just seem to be everywhere again. Teen Wolf fandom is especially bad. I'm worried I'll break my backspace button if I see another "the werewolf" or "the younger boy."
I don't know why epithets annoy me so much, but oh, how they do annoy me.
Re: Epithets
anonymous
April 22 2012, 12:33:26 UTC
They always make me think the viewpoint character has amnesia. Like, Harry can't remember his best friend's name so thinks of him as "the red-haired boy".
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anonymous
April 22 2012, 12:49:26 UTC
Exactly that, nonnie. The author knows the character's name, the other characters know the character's name, and yet, nope, hair-color or eye-color or job title is apparently the way to go.
Re: Epithets
anonymous
April 22 2012, 12:38:45 UTC
I was just thinking that the other day as I was reading a Sherlock fic. Within one paragraph there was a detective, a younger man, an older man, a DI, an inspector, Sherlock, Lestrade and Greg. I felt like taking a roll call.
Re: Epithets
anonymous
April 22 2012, 13:02:44 UTC
I've seen it a lot in Sherlock fic too, and I've found Inception is terrible for epithets because canon is so providing: the forger, the point-man, the chemist.
I find that they just really through me out of a fic, and more than something like a typo would.
Re: Epithets
anonymous
April 22 2012, 14:02:35 UTC
I have been railing about epithets in fandom for fifteen years and frankly, I've seen very little change overall. Fandoms with a lot of newer writers seem to have more of a problem (maybe that's what's going on with Teen Wolf?), but it's pretty much everywhere
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Re: Epithets
anonymous
April 22 2012, 14:25:54 UTC
I share your feelings, nonnie! Names and titles and nicknames are such important signifiers of intimacy and respect, able to convey so much in so little time and carry so much specific meaning, why would you waste that.
I think my current personal most infuriating variation on it is when a member of the out-group from the writer's perspective, in first or close third, refers to another member of their out-group from the writer's perspective. Garrus is not going to think of that soldier as "the turian woman," he's going to think of her as "the petty officer" and note that Shepard is the human woman.
Re: Epithets
anonymous
April 22 2012, 16:04:49 UTC
ayrt - You could be right in regards to Teen Wolf and new writers. There does seem to be a bit of an influx of them coming from tumblr and posting to AO3 right now. Some of them are great writers, others...
I think epithets bother me less when the viewpoint is third-person omnipotent, but if it's third-person limited? Backspace ahoy!
And I totally agree about writers giving more thought to names. I read a fic recently where the POV character was a slave. Throughout most of the fic he refers to the other main character only as "his master", but towards the end, after he's freed, he changes to using the other character's name. It was simply done, but it worked for me in terms of showing the changing dynamic between the two characters.
Re: Epithets
anonymous
April 22 2012, 17:53:05 UTC
+1000
I tend to write in very tight third, so I spend a lot of time thinking about names.* Therefore, it really stands out to me when it's clear a writer HASN'T put a lot of thought into it, and it tends to throw me out of the story very quickly.
*As an extreme example, I once spent at least two day trying to figure out A) What Emily Thorne/Amanda Clarke calls herself in her head and B) How Nolan thinks about it. False identities are HARD.
Re: Epithets
anonymous
April 22 2012, 14:15:54 UTC
I haven't noticed any increase or decrease in the use of epithets in fandom over the years.
Epithets don't bother me. They can be a useful tool in writing and have been used to good effect in literature. It's only when they're overused or used in jarring contexts that they become bad writing, but the same can be said of any literary device.
Re: Epithets
anonymous
April 22 2012, 14:21:50 UTC
NA I don't dislike epithets as a rule, but I think you should use them when you actually have a good reason for (subtly) attracting attention to this particular characteristic of the character, instead of just wanting to avoid names.
Re: Epithets
anonymous
April 22 2012, 15:46:40 UTC
You may just be noticing them more. I remember just as many years ago when I was still reading fanfic. I distinctly remember someone using "the friendly ninja" or somesuch in the second sentence of the story.
It's like, okay, I get it. You don't want to wear out the character's name by using it too much. But the second sentence?
I don't know why epithets annoy me so much, but oh, how they do annoy me.
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I find that they just really through me out of a fic, and more than something like a typo would.
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I think my current personal most infuriating variation on it is when a member of the out-group from the writer's perspective, in first or close third, refers to another member of their out-group from the writer's perspective. Garrus is not going to think of that soldier as "the turian woman," he's going to think of her as "the petty officer" and note that Shepard is the human woman.
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I think epithets bother me less when the viewpoint is third-person omnipotent, but if it's third-person limited? Backspace ahoy!
And I totally agree about writers giving more thought to names. I read a fic recently where the POV character was a slave. Throughout most of the fic he refers to the other main character only as "his master", but towards the end, after he's freed, he changes to using the other character's name. It was simply done, but it worked for me in terms of showing the changing dynamic between the two characters.
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I tend to write in very tight third, so I spend a lot of time thinking about names.* Therefore, it really stands out to me when it's clear a writer HASN'T put a lot of thought into it, and it tends to throw me out of the story very quickly.
*As an extreme example, I once spent at least two day trying to figure out A) What Emily Thorne/Amanda Clarke calls herself in her head and B) How Nolan thinks about it. False identities are HARD.
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Epithets don't bother me. They can be a useful tool in writing and have been used to good effect in literature. It's only when they're overused or used in jarring contexts that they become bad writing, but the same can be said of any literary device.
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I don't dislike epithets as a rule, but I think you should use them when you actually have a good reason for (subtly) attracting attention to this particular characteristic of the character, instead of just wanting to avoid names.
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"It's going to blow! Run, go, NOW!" the blond screamed.
...makes me wonder what the hell being blond has to do with the action. On the other hand...
"Let me help you with that," the taller woman said, pulling the luggage down from the overhead rack.
...would be fine.
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It's like, okay, I get it. You don't want to wear out the character's name by using it too much. But the second sentence?
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