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Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 16:37:23 UTC
Canon!Anon a few threads up got me thinking...

I'm always told to "Show, don't tell" when I write, and by now, it's almost habit to not write "Timmy was a jackass," and instead show him being a jackass, etc.

But when it comes to fanfic, is it even a little acceptable to just Tell?

For instance, if we all know that Timmy is a jackass from canon, is there a point to showing it, aside from it just being good writing practice? And does this get boring/annoying to the fanfic audience, who might have to read about Timmy being a jackass in hundreds of fics, over and over again?

I ask because I'm writing a fic for a kink meme, and I normally would go all out on giving background and such, but in this fic, I just tell so much. And some part of my brain is going BAD BAD BAD, while another part is going, IT'S PORN, EVERYONE KNOWS YOUR MAIN CHARACTER IS AN ASSHOLE.

tl;dr - Is it more or less acceptable to ignore the Show Don't Tell rule for established canon characteristics?

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 16:49:11 UTC
Canon!Anon here :)

I think in the case of known canon personalities (Character A is a jerk at times, Character B sometimes behaves childishly, etc.) there's no need to show it - telling is just fine. I think where it becomes an issue is perhaps the level of the behavior - if that makes sense....

Like... okay character A can sometimes be a jerk - this is canon. But is character A so much of a jerk that he'd intentionally say something that would hurt his best friend? If not, than yeah you're going to have to show me why he did that.

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 16:54:33 UTC
I think it's fine to forgo showing sometimes, especially when it's for a kink meme fic.

I find that having to show every little canon characteristic makes me lose enthusiasm for writing the fanfic, when in fact, that enthusiasm is what would've made the fic come alive. And ultimately, I write fanfic for fun, not 'cause I want to create high art or anything, so showing everything just drags the story down for me. I think "show, don't tell" is a good concept in theory, but it's not applicable to every situation.

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 16:57:23 UTC
IDK - without context it's hard to say if ur doing it rong. There isn't some fixed rule to say when Tell is acceptable and Show is unnecessary, in different genres or scenarios. It's like anything else in any fic - a competent writer will sell it however they're doing it, and a weaker writer can follow every 'rule' and still write a pile of shit ( ... )

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 17:06:13 UTC
ayrt

LOL! I picked Timmy totally at random, anon! I knew I'd end up choosing a name from someone's fandom regardless.

Thanks for the insight. The character I'm writing is an unforgiving asshole, and like you say, everyone knows it. I could easily write scene after scene with him doing assholey things, but I fear redundancy.

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 17:28:26 UTC
Hee, don't worry! I knew you weren't having a Timmy hateboner. Names are tricky, you could have chosen Slartifartfast and someone would've piped up defensively!

Yeah, IMO no need for him to be doing the 'showy' asshole things unless they're advancing the kink-plot. I guess the equivalent is that fic where the writer has their character standing in front of a mirror so he can check he still has dark brown unruly hair and those enticing grey/blue eyes... For the reader, who lusts after him on a weekly basis, that description is completely unnecessary UNLESS he's just been bodyswapped or someone dyed his hair in his sleep or... something like that!

Tell it or show it, either way, only if you need it to get the action from A to B to C. That's my thing anyway! And good luck!

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 22:22:03 UTC
are you a Justified and/or NCIS nonny, by chance? :D

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 22:40:19 UTC
Could be both, nonnie, could very well be both! ;-D

(Insufficient Timness in last few weeks of Justified has made me very D-:< But looks like he's back to entertain us next week's ep, so YAY!)

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 18 2011, 02:52:36 UTC
I grow more and more tempted to seek out the Justified!nonnies on the friending meme now. I'm not into NCIS's fandom so much but I've been watching the damn show for seven years XD

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 17:11:15 UTC
Umh, if it’s for a kink meme, show me the kink, okay? I don’t go to any kink meme for great artistic concepts or for fics with great characterization, I go there for the porn and I want all details on the hot stuff. - Not wanting to be rude here but really, I’ve read kink fic written by a somewhat aspiring author who worked in some abstract concept I couldn’t understand with my average IQ and when I dared to ask I got linked to essays about writing concepts and high ideals and logical problems and whatever which neither interested me nor were understandable to me. On a kink meme my blood goes to my nether regions, not to my brain, please keep that in mind dear contributors, thanks. /rant

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 19:23:57 UTC
OP

Yeah I get that. My fandom's kink meme is very encouraging of plotty fics, though, so some prompts are less kink, and more... gimme a story, but with definite eventual sex? Then some prompts and fills are even gen or PG. That'd usually annoy me when it comes to a kink meme, but my fandom's so small, and the community somehow ended up converging there for the regular stuff, so I'm just happy to have any fic at all.

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 17:38:16 UTC
Show don't tell is pushed way to hard. It certainly has its merits and it is very good to keep it in mind, but it's not something you have to live by when writing or suddenly everything sucks.

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 18:17:58 UTC
You probably don't have to do too much showing, but in that case keep it light on the telling too, okay? If it's something we already know, it's something we already know.

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 18:57:47 UTC
Unless what you're writing is a rewrite or adaptation of the canon, you don't have to show or tell something that's already been well established.

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 19:11:48 UTC
There are moments when telling is precisely what you need. I've always been especially fond of Douglas Adams' passages which began with, "What had happened was this" and then explained, succinctly and with humor, how we got to the scene at hand.

I think of "show, don't tell" and "remove adverbs/adjectives" and most of the other advice as being the writing equivalent of the Pirate Code: they're more like guidelines, really.

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Re: Show Don't Tell in FanFic anonymous April 17 2011, 21:32:14 UTC
Succinctly and with humour is the key there, I think. It was helped by Adams developing a strong authorial voice in the form of the Guide itself, taking on the role of the (in the literary sense, not actually) omniscient narrator that was pretty much a character in its own right. The strong authorial voice is a must if you want to use an omniscient narrator effectively, but that's a whole different discussion.

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