i'm going to stop pretending that i didn't break your heart;

[ever_neutral]

And so it continues.

02 | the ship you love because it really never will was going to happen

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[pocochina]

ooooh, I like this analysis. I go back and forth on whether I emotionally *like* the doctor and the Doctor but I completely agree with this read on it.

I LIKE that even though the Doctor can be a hero and saver of galaxies blah blah blah, he is also the world's worst friend/boyfriend and also generally a vain self-absorbed douche.

Yes! I loved Ten because he was so clearly struggling to keep his head above water sometimes, *and* because the narrative was always very clear on what that did to the people around him. And Martha clearly got the short end of the stick on it, and she was able to handle it without turning those feelings into resentment.

I balk at the idea that the latter "ruined" her character because no, being a Strong Female Character (TM) let alone a "strong woman" does not preclude being in love with a dude who's bad for you -- plus also fuck Strong Female Characters (TM).THAAAAAAAAANK YOU. I loathe this dichotomy, that for a woman to have power in her life overall, she has to either always have an easy time

[ever_neutral]

♥

I have my issues with the show's treatment of Ten overall, but I always thought his relationship with Martha was very clearly and rightfully presented as unhealthy and unfair on her. So, I love it.

I loathe this dichotomy, that for a woman to have power in her life overall, she has to either always have an easy time romantically, or not form emotional attachments at all.
Yep. In one.

[upupa_epops]

I absolutely loved that Martha just walked away, and, by doing that, she punched all the expectations in the face. Because in a stereotypical story, she was supposed to stay with him until she fixes him, or until her tragic love kills her. You don't give up on a broken dude. You love him, and your love is a test in perseverance. Except not. Not with Martha Jones, who had it in her to say "I quit, because I see this is pointless. I have a life. I want my life." Just like that. And it's not that I admire that she was able to acknowledge that she got rejected and humbly accept her fate. No. I admire that she knew she wasn't obliged to keep loving him only because he supposedly needed her. Her own well-being was important to her. YAY Martha Jones!

[ever_neutral]

I can add nothing to this perfect comment. Well said.

[kwritten]

Bless you.

Martha is my bb. I never got the vibe from Martha/10 that she was completely defined by him. In contrast, I love that she was the one person capable of calling him on his bullshit. Rose was a complacent lover in comparison. I loved the Martha/10 relationship because even if Martha's affections were unrequited (poor bb), she was still a bad ass. And she undermined him. She made him fess up to his dorkiness. I felt that she challenged him more than any of the other companions.

The moral of this paragraph is basically that Martha Jones is a goddess and peasants will bow or get out of my journal
BOWING FOREVER AND EVER AMEN.

[ever_neutral]

This post blesses you back.

I do think all the companions in turn have been pretty good about calling the Doctor out on his shit? It's always a mix of idealizing him and understanding how fucked up he is. But yeah, Martha's a particular fave because her exit was the only one -- so far -- that didn't undermine her character development at all.

♥

[xx_pinkstar]

Tho, not a surprise to xx_pinkstar, bless.

[ever_neutral]

Why do you always have the best fucking macros.

There are not enough stuck-in-1969-fanfics in the world tbh.
:O :O :O ARE THERE ANY AT ALL????

And I should know because I was one of them and was a bitter peasant until halfway through the series and realised that Martha was a bamf/hbic/every badass acronym available to describe her.
lol I SIMPLY DID NOT KNOW. Thank the Face of Boe you saw the light.

And yes, ITA about fandom Doing It Wrong but the show Doing It Right. Hence why Martha/Ten is only second to Amy/Eleven in perfectly realized anti-romantic Who narratives for me, tbqh.

GONNA JUST DIRECT PEOPLE TO THIS PARAGRAPH AND MAKE THEM SEE THE LIGHT.
:') :') :')

And TY TY, congrats on your impeccable taste also. /whomp whomp

[xx_pinkstar]

GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURL. BRB.

A Life More Ordinary
Break Us Apart, Bring Us Together
The Future as Predicted by Richard Nixon
Palindromatic
18, Goshawk Avenue

IN RETURN FOR ALL THE FABULOUS ELEVEN/AMY RECS. idek Martha/Ten Blink!Era is my favourite thing ever and some of these are so fabulously angsty. (There's also one called Five Times The Doctor And Martha Have Sex In 1969 that's recently been made private cryin riverz)

OH SHIT I TOTALLY FORGOT, LET ME JUST DIRECT YOU TO THE 1969 FICATHON BUT THOSE UP THERE ARE MY ESPECIAL FAVOURITES <3

PS - Let me rec you these Nine/Martha fics because they're the most fabulous things ever

Crossing Into Established Events
Bloody Nature

[ever_neutral]

SDLJFDDS;LJFDS;DSJFDSO;IJ;IJVOISN;VLKWEJVJ;SLFI!!!!!!!!

WOMAN

TYx29899824982 for all of these recs, I can't wait to have my insides shredded with a cheese grater. \o/ /o\ \o/ /o\

I will report back with le feels.

[catteo]

So I don't watch DW, and I feel as though this is something that should make me sad. But then I realised that I could just sit here and look at your pretty pictures and read your pretty words and it would be like watching the show with a friend. So. Excellent.

I now wrong!ship these guys too. WAY TO GO DUDE.

[ever_neutral]

LOL, happy to entertain (THO YOU SHOULD WATCH THE SHOW TBH IF ONLY SO I CAN HAVE YOUR FEELS IN A PROPER SENSE).

I now wrong!ship these guys too.
\o/ \o/ \o/ :') :') :')

[catteo]

But where would I start?! I am already so behind with so many shows and I just don't know how to get through eleven? twelve? doctors and still maintain some semblance of sanity. But perhaps you could indicate to me where a person might start.

HINT HINT.

[ever_neutral]

LOL no, no need to go through all the Doctors, lmao. The New Who series starts with the 9th Doctor and that's probably where you want to kick off. The first episode is 1.01 "Rose", fyi.

ALTERNATIVELY, if going through 6.5 seasons still sounds overwhelming then I'd start from S5 (of the new series) which is Eleven's era a.k.a. my current obsession and what everyone's talking about atm.

Alternatively alternatively, if you're really scared of effort, then you may as well just start watching when the show comes back this year with the new companion Clara. Each doctor/companion duo is like a whole different story arc so it shouldn't be too confusing.) (THOUGH I WOULD FROWN AT YOU MISSING AMY AND ELEVEN TBQH.) (OK THAT'S ENOUGH FROM ME.)