You were right, I was wrong, like I always am, and you always are

[ever_neutral]

Well, Emmie batted her lashes, and therefore I am obliging.

So Diamond Took recently mused about "Dead Things", and then I got wordy.

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[elisi]

Ooooh Spuffy meta. Nom nom nom. I adore S6. The layers. Oh the layers. I love that it's not simple, that there's no easy explanation.

However, I shouldn't be here. So just this:

-- But it's not.
stormwreath once made me a Buffy vid to Aimee Mann's It's Not. It turned out pretty perfect, and that line... Such a perfect line! Do watch it.

(I am presuming you've read Anna's essay on S6 Buffy and Spike? Still the best and most indepth analysis I've ever come across.)

[ever_neutral]

om nom nom *chomps with you*

Hahaha, I've totally devoured both that vid and meta and yes, I was TOTALLY thinking of "It's Not" when I wrote that part. :D

[elisi]

I was TOTALLY thinking of "It's Not" when I wrote that part. :D
\o/ \o/ \o/ (I didn't want to presume, but it kinda jumped out at me. *g*)

[ever_neutral]

Yeah, I'm sort of obsessed with relating that song to S6 actually. I've even gone so far as to include it in a S6 fic. What am I.

[penny_lane_42]

Let's run away together and get married, okay? I know you're not really into the whole sentimental thing, but we could work! Our relationship will be built around our mutual Spike/Buffy love/understanding! What better foundation for a relationship than that?!?

(And this is why I will always maintain that Spike getting his soul was indisputably essential, because it proves my girl wrong.)

THANK YOU.

I love this whole thing. To itty bitty bits! Have a sexy icon!

[ever_neutral]

Alas, I am already engaged to Christy, BUT WE CAN MAKE IT WORK.

*licks your icon*

[blackfrancine]

We will move to UTAH! I haven't seen Big Love, but it's supposed to be very good.

I suggest we have this song for the first dance at our three-person wedding. But it has to be THIS version. And we'll put the video up on a big projector. And then we'll dance the choreography to go along with the video. :( It won't let me embed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA

I'm in a weird mood today.

[ever_neutral]

"THIS VIDEO IS NOT AVAILABLE IN YOUR COUNTRY." *has Annie!tantrum face*

Yes, I've been meaning to get into Big Love. Things I will eventually do.

[quinara]

Buffy is certainly aware of that, and it's partially what motivates her bad treatment of him in the first place. Spike is the part of her that she hates, this is true, but especially because he’s the part that won’t let her give up on herself.

YES. I think that's a great observation. With all the sex in tombs blah-de-blah I think there's a definite symbolism of Buffy trying to kill herself when she goes to Spike's crypt - or at least not let herself be resurrected. The same with going to the police station: the scene between Buffy and Dawn makes the idea explicit when Dawn treats it the same as Buffy 'going away again' and Buffy uses the fateful line 'Dawnie I have to'. But the thing that that alley scene proves is that Spike won't let her die. He's constantly making life death difficult for her, at least until that point.

[ever_neutral]

Yaaay I'm glad you agree. I think the idea of Spike "making things simpler" for Buffy is often taken at face value, and probably shouldn't be? And OH, nice catch with the "Dawnie I have to"! So great.

[red_satin_doll]

Dawn makes the idea explicit when Dawn treats it the same as Buffy 'going away again' and Buffy uses the fateful line 'Dawnie I have to'.

Had not noticed that. *bows low*

[local_max]

Oh this is really great. Will ponder

[ever_neutral]

Actually I completely agree with all your thoughts! I've never really been morally outraged by that scene anyway (I mean, it's a Bad Moment, it's portrayed as a Bad Moment, I'm not real interested in holding a grudge) - so I can totally get behind your reading.

YAY FOR BREATHLESS LOVE! Yeah, I just love how the narrative is constructed so that the characters' motivations seem really murky the entire way through, and the drama is entirely understated. IT WORKS FOR ME.

[elisi]

She has to stop him from stopping her. He tells her to lay it all on him. She does. And then after she beats him, he says, "You always hurt the ones you love, pet." And so in a flash he has proven that he is under Buffy's skin--because if she actually didn't care about him, she wouldn't have beaten him. Love and pain and sex and death are all the same for Spike, so he's more than willing to suffer a beating to prove a point. For Buffy, these are *not* the same, which is why I think she's actually much more damaged by the beating than soulless-Spike is.
I want to marry this comment omg! When it comes to Spike, I'm always reminded of this:

Spike: She just left. She didn't even care enough to cut off my head or set me on fire. (sniffs) I mean, is that too much to ask? You know? Some little sign that she cared?

Buffy cares. Buffy cares a lot. And OK, it's mostly anger and pain, but Spike's used to that. He knows how to deal with that. (Put it on me. Put it all on me.) And the other thing (that people always seem to forget) Spike isn't

[ever_neutral]

Hah, I totally think of "Lovers Walk" too. So representative of everything Spike is. And agreed - that's who he is, he's okay with it, Buffy is the one with the identity crisis at this point. (And to connect it to "Seeing Red", of course - there's "tie her up, torture her, until she likes me again" and there's "I'm gonna make you feel it." Same dude.)

SPIKE: I love you.
BUFFY: No, you don't.

Why is our ship so perfectly constructed though?

denial doesn't equal disbelief.

Yessss this is my story and I'm sticking with it.

[ever_neutral]

SEASON SIX LOVE. AMEN.

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