The Realities of Fandom (or how hard it's to remember the internet is real)

[evalangui]

Today’s been the day for thoughtfulness about freedom of speech, first a librarian wrote a wonderfully reasoned but very PC letter to a customer who wanted to ban a picture book about a gay weeding, then Jazzypom wrote a post about the unspoken fandom prohibition on criticism since it’s a "safe space to have fun in" and "real life is hard enough",

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[hlbr]

I think this is OK in theory if people are only getting 'hurt' in the sense of flinching or reading something they don't quite like. Or getting squicked. That's fine. I've no problem with reading stuff I don't like. But then: I don't have triggers.

People with triggers are not only 'hurt'. They're unable to function after being triggered. They have flashbacks. Their mental health is set back. That's not 'hurt', that's damageLiberty is not libertinaje (I'm blanking on the English word for this), and I say it as an anarchist: liberty is very important to me. Also important, because we're social animals, is the limit between that and libertinaje. On the net, anyone can do anything they like about this kind of issue. No RL consequence will happen to people that don't warn. However, because I think that part of the social contract is that we protect each other and avoid doing damage to each other, I will continue to support in group social consequences to those who don't use reasonable warnings or advice the readers that they don't warn

The thing about freedom is that is not free

[evalangui]

I do think warning is the nice and the right thing to do, but being nice or moral is always a choice, isn't it? (that's my whole point, there should always be a choice) And the consequences online are the same as offline in this respect, people will think badly of you and treat you accordingly. Mostly that debate got too black and white for my taste, in that I thought they were right but not for the right reasons. Also, rationally, you have to admit people who say that if you have triggers you should not read things that don't have warnings (and by this I mean fanfic or fanart, not just random posts in random ljs, which nobody ever warns about) do have a point. I do think they are a bit childish in that they could just put an invisble warning and be done with it but I will defend their right to choose anyway, as I support people who wish to inform them about triggers and to try and influence them into putting warnings

Re: The thing about freedom is that is not free

[hlbr]

Of course moral is a choice! If you pardon me the hyperbole, that doesn't stop me from arguing that rape, slavery and murder are wrong. People arguing the side of warnings are not talking about taking away that choice, of course not; how could they? How could they, practically, do it? It's impossible. The only thing our community can do to avoid (some of) its members acting anti-socially is to punish them, with the tools at its reach. In this case, it's frank discussions about how much damage they are doing with that behaviour. I don't think it's unwarranted, or unduly harsh

Re: The thing about freedom is that is not free

[hlbr]

I don't think I've seen that movie, no.

Er, I'll let you know about translations. I'm a bit behind in the organizational work right now. Thanks!

el príncipe elige

[anonymous]

Hola, perdonname pero no hablo bien español ... quisiera saber si conoces la obra "el príncipe elige" de teresa nonnel ? Esta obra era en "física o química" y quisiera saber donde puedo tener esta obra ... porque no la encuentro ... entonces, quisiera saber si existe realmente ? Respondeme a este e-mail pour favor, será muy buenito ;-) e.lepere@hotmail.fr
¡ Muchas gracias ! Hasta Luego

Enji