Comments | etimodnar: Exploration on Gender roles and Abortion.

etimodnar

Exploration on Gender roles and Abortion.

Nov 27, 2007 09:46

Sometimes I think that society doesn't know what to do with gender distinctions. There's a lot of people who campaign for complete equality between the sexes; I think that there should be completely equal rights, but that men and women are created differently and perhaps more segregation between gender distinctions needs to be clarified. What does ( Read more... )

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thenewleafturns November 27 2007, 03:05:57 UTC

Before I jump in and go RAR HOW DARE YOU WISH TO DICTATE WHAT PEOPLE DO WITH THEMSELVES I'd like to say that I would like nothing more than for abortion not to be necessary. Safe, legal and *vanishingly* rare is ideal - i find the procedure abhorrent. Secondly, I'm male. I will never have to make a choice regarding this issue, and I would never attempt to influence a partner of mine if the situation should arise ( ... )

littlerooms November 27 2007, 03:59:00 UTC

Viable alternative? How about not having sex outside of marriage? Or, for those who believe they cannot control themselves, birth control options are numerous, and ignoring them simply because abortion is legal is unacceptable. Destroying the unborn is not a necessity, it is avoiding the due consequences of irresponsible sexual activity.

thenewleafturns November 27 2007, 04:06:54 UTC

You are overlooking abortions sought by married women.

littlerooms November 27 2007, 04:09:55 UTC

And you are overlooking my statement about birth control.

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kegzilla November 27 2007, 03:54:40 UTC

I think the need for abortions is bad but I also think it is necessary in this fucked up world we live in.

I think people should take more responsibility for their actions but I do believe that In cases of rape or drugs or other such bad things it would often be better for the child to not exist as opposed to just becoming another hated, abused child who ends up getting itself in crime/drugs and adding to the problem again.

Also we have way too many people on this big rock.

really I think the best way would be to give everyone contraceptives and then only let people have kids if they really want them and will be able to raise them properly and morally. (You don;t even need god for that!) ;)

tibbycat November 27 2007, 04:22:17 UTC

Thing is though, not everyone who comes from a messed up home, ends up messed up themselves. My dad comes from a broken home with his own father abandoning him when he was two (he's never seen him since), and his mother leaving him with her elderly parents to raise while she went out and slept with the whole town, so to speak. But surprisingly, my dad grew up to be a responsible, respectful, trustworthy and loving father and husband.
So, my point is, kids can break out of a situation they're born into. Just because someone has messed up parents, doesn't mean they're going to be messed up themselves.

kegzilla November 27 2007, 04:30:15 UTC

Oh I definately understand that. It tend to be the exception other than the rule.

I would be much happier if it didn't have to happen but I really do think we need to have it as an option. Maybe in that wonderful day when our society is free of disease, crime, religion and currency we can look into it.

tibbycat November 27 2007, 05:02:40 UTC

"Maybe in that wonderful day when our society is free of disease, crime, religion and currency we can look into it."

I think you'll be waiting.. and waiting... and waiting..... and waaaiting....

In the meantime, I'd rather people like my dad had a chance out of their sitch instead of being killed on birth because their parents are irresponsible.

littlerooms November 27 2007, 04:09:00 UTC

It's interesting that, at least here in the US, many states have laws protecting the unborn. So that if someone attacks a woman while she is en route to an abortion clinic and her unborn child is killed, her attacker will be charged with its murder. And yet, had she made it safely to the clinic, the child would have been killed legally. There is something very wrong with that.

I am absolutely, 100% with you on this post. Abortion is, to me, the most hideous example of darkness in this fallen world.

princess_peas November 29 2007, 19:43:08 UTC

I never knew that. There are no such laws or anything like that in Britain. I read a story in a magazine once about a woman who was I think something like 36 weeks pregnamt and was in car crash in which the foetus died but she survived. (Possibly the doctors had to choose to save her over the foetus, I can't remember exactly.) She wanted the driver of the car that caused the accident to be tried for murder. She was laughed out of court.

____hejira November 27 2007, 04:47:20 UTC

I do agree with you, so don't misunderstand anything I'm about to say ( ... )

louisthefly November 27 2007, 05:10:56 UTC

To me the only reasonable option, the only one that accepts real evidence, is for controlled abortion, and better sexual educaton to prevent unwanted pregnancies ( ... )

etimodnar November 27 2007, 06:15:59 UTC

I'm so doubtful of stats though. I'm finding tht stats can be found to back up any POV, so I tend to avoid them.

I'm agreeing that education (on all methods of prevention) is necessary. But I don't think making emotional appeals is a bad thing.

louisthefly November 27 2007, 06:49:19 UTC

It's true that stats are easy to misuse, but is it not true that emotion is just as easy, if not easier to misuse? The problem with appeals to emotion is they's effective beyond their reasoning. It's an easy way out; if you can't create an informed opinion you appeal to emotion, and then the people you're trying to convince can't tell whether they're thinking something or feeling it. I resent being made to feel guilty about my position, which is why I don't like being told to feel something. It's the idea of backyard abortions, not the idea of abortions themselves, the most sickens me. So maybe I'm using emotion a little bit as well, by referring to the dangers of criminalising abortion. But I know that my stance is based on reason, and fact, and the real world ( ... )

etimodnar November 27 2007, 07:55:54 UTC

I can see the merit in legalising abortions, in order for them to procede as safe medical practices, instead of being run underground.

What I'm objecting to, is abortions in any way (other than those necessary for medical complications) because they are, as I have stated, murder; whether they are legal or backyard abortions.

In an imperfect world, it's necessary to legalise them, I can see that. But I am appealing more to the women who have them, because abortions are wrong.

I wish I could say I'm pro-choice and that all women would choose life. However, knowing that women won't choose life doesn't mean that they should be restricted by my beliefs. It just means that I will appeal to them to not go through with it ( ... )

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