Tenured failure and self-indulgent pedagogy

May 20, 2009 06:46

If one judges matters by intentions (such as by presuming that effects flow from intentions), one lives in a very congenial world. You are always right, because your intentions are always good. Those who disagree with you must, therefore, have “wrong” intentions and so always be wrong ( Read more... )

friction, education, pomo, property

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catsidhe May 19 2009, 22:18:50 UTC
That's not just nonsense, it's offensive nonsense.The real reason to have government-provided schooling is to control the socialisation of students so as to control socialisation of belief.
is simply bullshit.

Your ‘example’ of totalitarian regimes is a furphy: they want to control education, like they want to control everything else, because that is what they do. They eliminate private schools because they eliminate all opposition, competition and choice, because that is what they do.

That is a very different thing from providing a service. A service which, don't forget, was provided by the government in the first place out of the socialist, dare I say communist, idea that poor children deserve education too ( ... )

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Re: Hysteria (Part III) erudito May 24 2009, 20:48:58 UTC
Yes, and of course there is no such thing as quality products in the private sector and the only form of private provision is for-profit.

As for ABC, that private providers can fail is actually a reason for private provision.

As for "fixing" public provision, if the problems are endemic to being public provision, then they are not going to be "fixed", one is just going to go around in circles with endless arguments over funding, schemes, etc.

There is Government-as-in-the Cabinet etc and there is government as in the state. Claiming the bureaucracy is somehow profoundly different from 'big G' government implies a lack of accountability (since the latter is the bit the voters get a say over). The point of having it in a government department is that it places it under direct Ministerial control.

If you want something not so, you put it in a statutory authority. Which raises issues of accountability again but is sometimes sensible.

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Re: Hysteria (Part III) catsidhe May 25 2009, 02:28:26 UTC
“Yes, and of course there is no such thing as quality products in the private sector and the only form of private provision is for-profit ( ... )

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Re: Hysteria (Part III) erudito May 25 2009, 20:48:21 UTC
"Private provision" means just that, it does not have to be corporate provision, that is just one form of private provision. After all, 'private schools' do not mean 'corporate schools'.

Your penchant for interpreting dissent in the most stupid or absolutist way possible leads you up all sorts of hysterical denunciations and misconstruals, but that is not anyone's fault but yours.

I certainly would not want to exclude corporate provision, but I doubt there would be much even in the most open market.

That profit is how a lot of private provision is motivated does not make it evil, stupid, bad or otherwise a poor way of doing things. Hence the extremely productive system we live in.

And implying, as you did, that private supply is somehow antithetical to quality is just dumb. It is public provision which has the more endemic quality issues. Not least because it faces an excessively "understanding" regulator.

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Re: Hysteria (Part III) catsidhe May 25 2009, 02:15:58 UTC
“Thank you Kim Beazley”

Well, thanks Kim for suggesting it and Johnny for actually doing it. I think it's well established that Kim should not be allowed to say anything about any technology he does not understand, which I submit is anything much more complicated than the wheel ( ... )

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