Something to consider too, though: if you bring these points up with this person, you're engaging them in a debate on something where there shouldn't be one. You shouldn't have to justify women's worth, and you risk arguing with this person, and that can be as infuriating as it is fruitless. I've found it tiring and personally I don't have the time to educate anymore, so I don't, hence my earlier comment. Nowadays when someone starts spouting problematic crap, I call them on it. If they're genuinely interested in knowing what they're doing wrong, I usually tell them. If they get belligerent, I disengage and don't waste anymore of my time. Ignorance by itself isn't so bad, as long as somebody's willing to look at themselves and change, but being deliberately obtuse gets old fast ... and ultimately, if someone's not interested in emptying their bucket to learn something new, there's nothing we can do for them.
How about the fact that the Rutgers women's games are consistently sold out while the men's games they have to give tickets away? At the collegiate level women's basketball is still a hot ticket and anyone who doesn't think so is really out of touch. To say that a team's record doesn't exist or count because of the team's gender doesn't make any sense since they are playing against teams of the same gender, therefore the records are valid. Also, just because women play a sport doesn't change the rules of that sport. If someone thinks softball is exciting they will think so regardless if the game is played by college girls or middle age men (and depending on preferences that might make the game more interesting).
We can talk more about this tomorrow (and of course Chad has some more sports related statistics to add).
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The reason why I watch men's sports basically is eye candy since I'm attracted to men.
I wonder if there's a way you can use something like that as a retort?
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Something to consider too, though: if you bring these points up with this person, you're engaging them in a debate on something where there shouldn't be one. You shouldn't have to justify women's worth, and you risk arguing with this person, and that can be as infuriating as it is fruitless. I've found it tiring and personally I don't have the time to educate anymore, so I don't, hence my earlier comment. Nowadays when someone starts spouting problematic crap, I call them on it. If they're genuinely interested in knowing what they're doing wrong, I usually tell them. If they get belligerent, I disengage and don't waste anymore of my time. Ignorance by itself isn't so bad, as long as somebody's willing to look at themselves and change, but being deliberately obtuse gets old fast ... and ultimately, if someone's not interested in emptying their bucket to learn something new, there's nothing we can do for them.
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We can talk more about this tomorrow (and of course Chad has some more sports related statistics to add).
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