Turmoil in the Toybox, part 2: Electric Boogaloo!

Jun 01, 2007 12:03

Okay, the title's a trifle silly, but while my original thought was that TinT II would be better than the first, it isn't. It's no worse, mind, but that's like saying that a bullet in the chest is no worse than three knife wounds to the stomach ( Read more... )

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stauros June 1 2007, 17:01:01 UTC
Some years ago I summarised these books for Ken, having skimmed them in a bookstore years earlier. He was incredulous. I salute you for having the courage to actually read them.

No mention of Eragon? I thought TinT2 dated from the early 90s at the latest. (Or were you being tongue-in-cheek?)

I'd be interested to know how she defines "good" fantasy. Though I suspect I won't agree with her, it's surprising to hear an author of this ilk even suggest such a thing.

Your third paragraph sounds like a lot of political-left and/or feminist polemic (for that matter it sounds like what I heard at the Social Gospel church I attended during the latter 70s). That also is surprising from such an author.

Too bad she couldn't apply "hate the player, not the game" to her D&D experience. If those guys weren't acting out sick fantasies around a card table, they'd be pulling flies' wings off or roughing up kids for their lunch money. I suspect they're big fans of slasher movies. And I too hope none of them have reproduced after their own

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eric_hinkle June 1 2007, 17:18:34 UTC
No mention of Eragon? I thought TinT2 dated from the early 90s at the latest. (Or were you being tongue-in-cheek?)

That was a joke, yes.

I'd be interested to know how she defines "good" fantasy. Though I suspect I won't agree with her, it's surprising to hear an author of this ilk even suggest such a thing.

Her idea of good fantasy seems to be very heavily Christian-ized, little if any violence, no 'sexism', and supporting vaguely Left-ish politics (but not going too far). That's the impression I got, anyway.

Your third paragraph sounds like a lot of political-left and/or feminist polemic (for that matter it sounds like what I heard at the Social Gospel church I attended during the latter 70s). That also is surprising from such an author.

Well, Prothero's book argues that most Evangelicals are actually liberal in their politics on most things. He also argues that 'Social Gospel' is the only 'real' way to see if a church is actually Christian.

Too bad she couldn't apply "hate the player, not the game" to her D&D experience. If ( ... )

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stauros June 1 2007, 17:44:34 UTC
To begin with your concluding question, I never read the books, just skimmed them. My opinion was much the same as yours: embarrassed to be on the same team, and awestruck at such overreaching, fear-mongering condemnation. However, by that point in my still-young Christian life I had learned to recognise this sort of hyperventilating attack: if something was bad it wasn't just a little bit bad in places; it was demonically evil through and through.

Her idea of good fantasy seems to be very heavily Christian-ized, little if any violence, no 'sexism', and supporting vaguely Left-ish politics (but not going too far). That's the impression I got, anyway.

That's interesting, because I always assumed those books were written from an extreme legalist-conservative worldview. Did the author of the first book think that way?

Prothero's book argues that most Evangelicals are actually liberal in their politics on most things. He also argues that 'Social Gospel' is the only 'real' way to see if a church is actually Christian.First sentence ( ... )

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eric_hinkle June 1 2007, 18:01:54 UTC
"That's interesting, because I always assumed those books were written from an extreme legalist-conservative worldview. Did the author of the first book think that way?"

The first book was very much what you said.

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stokerbramwell June 1 2007, 17:40:23 UTC
She criticizes the Batman...for using violence against the Joker...

Cuz, you know, sadistic mass-murdering sociopaths always respond so well to evangelism.

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Cuz, you know, sadistic mass-murdering sociopaths always respond so well to evangelism. stokerbramwell June 1 2007, 21:51:13 UTC
Because all you need to do is mouth "IRebukeTheeInTheNameOfJesusChristMyPersonalLORDandSavior" (all one word) and ZAP! goes the demon of sadism/mass-murder/sociopathy.

Hey, it works in all those Christian "Spiritual Warfare" novels!

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eric_hinkle June 2 2007, 16:47:15 UTC
Maybe Batman practices muscular Christianity? :D

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stokerbramwell June 2 2007, 17:09:53 UTC
Well, my dad did once accidentally refer to a "Judo-Christian ethic"...

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brianblackberry June 1 2007, 18:39:30 UTC
Honestly, these people will never be happy with any form of children's entertainment, games, or toys, so really there is no real effort in trying to appease them or their attitudes.

However like I said last time, if they want to view the world this way and ban all such things from their families, more power to them, it's a free country, and they have their view and I have mine, and really that is all there is to it.

Now I am off to watch my technology worshiping Transformers followed by my humanistic Batman episodes before I draw my non-human bunnies.

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eric_hinkle June 2 2007, 16:46:39 UTC
I agree with you. I'm not worried about these people, more just disgusted at this nonsense. I mean, when this is considered "Christian literature" now... does anyone even remember C.S. Lewis? Now there was an intellectual, but who reads him anymore?

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"because crosses on everything make it Christian" anonymous June 1 2007, 21:55:59 UTC
No, that's "Bible verses engraved on everything makes it Christian". Just take a look at all the tacky Christian gift items in Christian bookstores!

Scripture Soap (soap with a Bible verse engraved on each bar) -- "Faith is the substance of things Soaped for".
Christian Pencils (yellow #2s with a Bible verse embossed).
Sanctified Skunk (so-so skunk plushie with some sort of Biblical medallion embroidered on its chest).
You name it, somebody's put a Bible verse on it and marketed it to Christians...

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Re: "because crosses on everything make it Christian" stokerbramwell June 2 2007, 00:41:05 UTC
The thing that disturbed me the most was some "Pray With Me" plushies I found at a Books-a-Million once. Cute little stuffed animals with metal on their hands that, when pressed together, cause them to start saying "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep..." in the creepiest little kid voice imaginable. This is the stuff of nightmares, folks.

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Re: "because crosses on everything make it Christian" redvixen June 2 2007, 18:03:23 UTC
*cringes* I thought torture had been banished from the Christian doctrines?

Then again, wouldn't those toys be blasphemous because the animals are claiming to have souls? *looks suitably innocent*

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redvixen June 1 2007, 19:48:29 UTC
*grins* Ah, so that's why my daughter wanted the axe!! Although she's had it for several months and has taken it out of the box only 3 times that I know of and none of those times had any death-dealing action.

When I hear people criticizing D&D because of bad players but blaming the game, I always ask what they think about the group of businessmen who played Monopoly with real money and real businesses. Did their actions occur because the game was bad or because they used it in an immoral way?

Sometimes people are really crazy.

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eric_hinkle June 2 2007, 16:48:42 UTC
'Sometimes'?

All I'll say about D&D is, those gamers struck me as very creepy. No, the game won't turn you into a Satanist axe-murderer, but sheesh, guys, get a clue.

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redvixen June 2 2007, 17:59:34 UTC
*nods* It's gamers like those who make us middle-of-the-road gamers cringe when someone starts on how bad the game is because we know the fringe element will grab the spotlight.

*grins* Okay, I'll rephrase my last line.

Some people are crazy most if not all of the time.
Some people are crazy once in a while.
Some people are fairly reasonable with a hidden paranoia.
Some people are fairly reasonable most if not all of the time.
Therefore the conclusion that can be drawn is...
Sometimes people are really crazy. :P

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eric_hinkle June 2 2007, 18:15:19 UTC
Didn't have to rephrase it -- I figured you were saying something like that -- but it sounds very true.

Take care!

BTW, if you want some bad gaming, check out my most recent entry and read the last paragraph!

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