what.

[elizabeth_hoot]

I've been searching for essays on SW for my theory class, and I didn't really think I'd have trouble finding them. On the upside, I really haven't had trouble -- but most of them are awful.

A lot of the authors half-heartedly tried to take on sexism - and, I mean, I think there's lots of sexism in SW? Both in-story and in its construction? But

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[wyncatastrophe]

Books - do you have them? There are a couple of interesting books out there on SW and it's fandom. I've got a bibliography I used for my thesis which includes (but is not limited to) them, if you want it. Or you may have all those essay collections and what-not already. Lemme know.

Also: yeesh at this dude.

[elizabeth_hoot]

I don't, actually. I've been meaning to get the Annotated Screenplays and Silvio's book on cultures and technologies or whatever it was. Powell's doesn't have them, though. IDEK.

I would love a bibliography, yeah - thanks! I've finished this paper (though it's rather an f-list-alienating one, so I won't post it like I did my feminist reading of SW), but I suspect I'll do others, because SW is one of the few things I feel really confident about and have a desire to keep poking at.

[philstar22]

Ick. First off, men giving feminist critiques of anything feels wrong to me. Second, clearly someone who has only seen ANH and barely even has a grasp of that. Don't comment on things you clearly haven't actually researched and know nothing about. Third, just plain wrong.

Star Wars has lots of sexism. But the OT, for its time, was so completely groundbreaking. Leia is deservedly a feminist icon. Leia is awesome. She is a HBIC, and anyone who says otherwise just needs to shut up.

[elizabeth_hoot]

I'm not exactly sure how I feel about men and feminism, but slut-shaming a female character (especially, as you say, a feminist icon like Leia) is definitely inappropriate.

I looked back at it was written in 1978, so I can make allowances for the ANH-only - but even in ANH it's made perfectly clear that her father died on Alderaan.

he is a HBIC, and anyone who says otherwise just needs to shut up.

Yup!

[philstar22]

Oh, I think men can be feminists. I just don't think they can give feminist critiques. Because men are privileged, and they simply don't see everything that a woman is going to or see things the way a woman would.

[elizabeth_hoot]

For me, the discomfort tends to be when men speak over women. I've enjoyed feminist critiques by men, but that enjoyment evaporates the instant I get a sense of a man talking to, and down to, women about how sexist something is. Like - whenever men talk about Twilight (which I dislike myself), I just brace myself for ridiculous amounts of mansplaining and general condescension. But I don't think I'm completely against male allies observing that something is sexist, as long as they don't silence women in the process: I just think that doesn't happen very much. Because, as you say, privilege. So IDK.

[chameleon_irony]

LOL

The stupidity...!

[elizabeth_hoot]

"LOL" is the only possible response to this! Or, you know, tl;dr rants. :P

[firehearts132]

Wait...what? So according to them, Leia is just a sex object? You've got to be kidding me. And I just had to lol when they called Leia helpless.

[elizabeth_hoot]

I wasn't sure whether to laugh or scream! I went for 'ranty rebuttal,' instead. :)