DW 8.10. Forest of the Night

Oct 30, 2014 07:51

Am trying to post something before Saturday... This could be longer, and I might come back to edit, but at least I've got SOMETHING out there. (For the William Blake connections, see this review: Tyger tyger, burning bright

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promethia_tenk October 30 2014, 12:56:38 UTC
Am trying to post something before Saturday... This could be longer, and I might come back to edit, but at least I've got SOMETHING out there.
I don't understand how you're still going *fusses and feeds you tea* Anyway, very nice summation of things as they stand.

But here the greenworld has broken through, the symbols manifesting in the real world, and the Doctor is… helpless, pretty much. He accepts what is going to happen with barely a murmur once he works it out.
I want to make something of his helplessness here together with his helplessness in TWoRS (the last place where the greenworld so totally took over the real world). It's like . . . the Doctor derives his power and is most able to act where these two worlds intersect. Where one or the other takes over too much (and we see the other extreme when the Doctor is forced too much into the normal world--Power of Three), he ends up paralyzed.

The little girl becomes the Champion - she both calls forth the trees, and is also the one to instruct people to leave the trees alone ( ... )

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promethia_tenk October 30 2014, 12:56:52 UTC
I don’t think this means he’ll stay passive, come what may. If she were in danger I’m sure he’d rush to save her, just like she rushed to save him.
Well, and so he did, in The Caretaker.

Yes, it could just be that we’ll once more see a good man go to war.
The similarities between the set-up this season and in season six are pretty pronounced: menacing but campy female figure dressed in black has been watching our heroine from the underworld with some kind of creepy intent. It wouldn't surprise me if the crises/resolutions end up similar as well.

that it’ll all end with a family reunion is almost a given. After all, that is how Moffat resolves most of his plots. It’s working out how the people are related that’s the issue… Both the Doctor and Missy have referred to Clara as ‘theirs’ ("Clara, my Clara...") - my prediction is that she’ll belong to both of them. After all she has been a Doctor mirror since she first appeared - but the darker mirror must come from somewhere else. And that ‘else’ is clearly Missy, whoever she is*nods* ( ... )

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elisi October 30 2014, 17:33:02 UTC
Well, and so he did, in The Caretaker.
True.

The similarities between the set-up this season and in season six are pretty pronounced: menacing but campy female figure dressed in black has been watching our heroine from the underworld with some kind of creepy intent. It wouldn't surprise me if the crises/resolutions end up similar as well.
Well we already know that they'll probably end up in a greenworld (the Nethersphere), although I am very curious to see what needs fixing. Clara, presumably. And the Doctor's selfdoubt. (There might even be a wedding... It wouldn't be a finale without one. But I couldn't tell you if it would be Clara or the Doctor who'd get hitched.)

*nods* Thinking about it, though, the Doctor himself has been a pretty 'dark' mirror all season (that, in fact, seems to be the main thrust of the mirroring). Which makes me wonder if what/in any sense Missy might prove to be a light mirror.She 'saves' people from death... That mirrors both the Library and the Bells of St John. I have a feeling Missy tilts more towards ( ... )

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elisi October 30 2014, 17:25:00 UTC
I don't understand how you're still going *fusses and feeds you tea*
Obsession. I can't not. And thank you for the tea. :)

Anyway, very nice summation of things as they stand.
Thank you. I feel I should have done more with soldiers & fear and all that, but...

I want to make something of his helplessness here together with his helplessness in TWoRS (the last place where the greenworld so totally took over the real world). It's like . . . the Doctor derives his power and is most able to act where these two worlds intersect. Where one or the other takes over too much (and we see the other extreme when the Doctor is forced too much into the normal world--Power of Three), he ends up paralyzed.
That's what I was trying to get at, yes. The Voices that speak are older than him, and will far outlive him, and he just accepts their superior authority without question.

The story about Maebh's sister is annoying me because I don't think it quite got properly tied to everything else that's happening*nods a lot* As you say we can see the bones of ( ... )

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masakochan October 30 2014, 13:03:31 UTC
Yeah- from what little I've heard about Danny's role in Dark Water/Death in Heaven- he definitely sounds like he's going to get his 'Rory the Roman' moment.

I’m sure there are many other comments along the same lines out there. How can he be so calm letting his girlfriend go off like that?

I think someone on tumblr summed it up best as basically: Danny understands Clara, well enough at this point, to see that she can be truthful when she's given enough time to think about it- since most of her quick decisions have involved lying (this season/series). And that he sees her lying as a much bigger problem, that's harmful to their relationship, and he's going to mainly just going to focus on fixing that.

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elisi October 30 2014, 17:28:49 UTC
Yeah- from what little I've heard about Danny's role in Dark Water/Death in Heaven- he definitely sounds like he's going to get his 'Rory the Roman' moment.
Thank sounds good! (I am avoiding spoilers like crazy. *hides under rock*)

Danny understands Clara, well enough at this point, to see that she can be truthful when she's given enough time to think about it- since most of her quick decisions have involved lying (this season/series). And that he sees her lying as a much bigger problem, that's harmful to their relationship, and he's going to mainly just going to focus on fixing that.
That's a very good summary. Thank you.

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a_phoenixdragon October 30 2014, 13:37:52 UTC
Okay, this meta is absolutely perfect. Down to the last detail!! I am nervous and excited about part one of the finale (and I'm sure you'll have some excellent tidbits to point out there as well).

*HUGS*

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elisi October 30 2014, 17:27:44 UTC
Okay, this meta is absolutely perfect. Down to the last detail!!
Thank you! It's... like trying to tape a mirror together - everything fractures all over the place.

I am nervous and excited about part one of the finale (and I'm sure you'll have some excellent tidbits to point out there as well).
I'm sure there'll be ESSAYS' worth! :D

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frelling_tralk October 30 2014, 14:30:30 UTC
Wonderful meta :)

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elisi October 30 2014, 17:26:22 UTC
Thank you! :)

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ragnarok_08 October 30 2014, 19:32:18 UTC
This is fantastic, as always <3

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elisi October 30 2014, 19:34:04 UTC
Aw, thank you. ♥

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