Assorted meta (Deep Breath, Into the Dalek, Robot of Sherwood)

[elisi]

As I hurt my foot rather badly Saturday morning, and thus had to sit still with my foot up, I finally bring you Doctor Who thoughts… Scattered and incomplete, but better than nothing hopefully. Pretty much written in one go, so apologies for being somewhat unpolished

Comments

[kikimay]

I get that Clara was supposed to be us (the audience) but still it seemed kinda inconsistent to me, because she saw him changing and saw all his faces, so I thought that she was the most "competent" companion to deal with change. But anyway.

I really like the chemistry between Peter and Jenna. I'm liking this Clara dealing with job and the Doctor. I feel like we're seeing the human aspects of the character and I appreciate that much more than walking enigma!impossible girl. I like teacher!Clara.

[elisi]

From an audience POV I can only say how it felt to *me* - and I understood Clara perfectly. I like Twelve, but Eleven hits me in places I can't even describe. And I've been through this since 2005.

And re. Clara, then we have seen more of her home life than any other companion. (And here are the numbers!) Of course it helps that we're not constantly trying to puzzle her out... :)

ETA: And thank you for reading! It's something of a rambly mess, but that can't be helped. ♥

[kikimay]

Oh interesting link! I understand what you feel since Eleventh is also the reason why I watched DW in the first place and he will always be my favorite. But I thought that Clara was more "advanced" than us. XD

Anyway I'm liking Capaldi. I can't say that I love him or that he makes me feel the way Smith used to, but he's a good and interesting change. I'm optimist.

[elisi]

Oh interesting link!
Good, isn't it? (I love stuff like that...)

But I thought that Clara was more "advanced" than us. XD
No, she is just a character, has no access to the Doylist insights that we can claim. (And it has to be said that War Doctor and Ten were both sweet & adorable. Twelve is... abrasive in a way that is new to her.)

Anyway I'm liking Capaldi. I can't say that I love him or that he makes me feel the way Smith used to, but he's a good and interesting change. I'm optimist.
Oh I'm on board with the grumpy old man. Change is good and all that. Plus I like the arguments. :)

[purplefringe]

<333

More later.

[elisi]

<333 to you too!

(Looking forward to your thoughts. This is... so late, and stuff keeps happening and I can't keep up. What's this deal with NEW SHOW every week? Whose crazy idea was that? *g*)

[purplefringe]

stuff keeps happening and I can't keep up. What's this deal with NEW SHOW every week? Whose crazy idea was that?

I DON’T KNOW. WHO AUTHORISED THIS?!? I WANT MY BRAIN BACK. :-)

Anyway, hello! I hope your foot is getting better. I am absolutely definitely not re-reading and replying to your meta whilst I’m at work and supposed to be checking contracts…nope….*ahem*. This is going to be reeeeealllly long and rambling and spread over several comments.
Of course the Doctor is the Doctor is the Doctor, but when something familiar is suddenly taken away, is it not normal to feel unsettled? There is a difference between knowing and understanding.

Thanks for writing this. These were all my thoughts exactly, only expressed in a coherent and structured manner. <3 Clara’s reaction to the new Doctor was something I had to think about and explain to myself quite a lot in the immediate aftermath of Deep Breath, because from a Watsonian POV it did initially feel jarring* - of ALL the companions the Doctor’s EVER had barring Romana, surely Clara

[purplefringe]

And she looks - and declares that yes, he is the Doctor. Like I said in my Clara meta: To be seen is to exist. He needs her to see him, to make him him.

This, as I said at the time, is beautiful and perfect. I am continually amazed at HOW MUCH MORE RELEVANT it keeps getting - ‘Listen’ was something else, and I can’t WAIT to talk about that with you. SO MANY EYES. So much soul-searching…Aaaaaaaaah. Eleven concentrated his energies on trying to properly ‘see’ Clara and figure out who she is, but now Twelve is unsure of his own identity and needs Clara to see him. The whole beginning of Listen shows him bopping round the universe observing things, but in order to make any sort of sense of it all, he needs someone to come along and observe him. We’ve had Schrodinger’s Companion, now we’re onto Schrodinger’s Doctor…BUT I’m getting ahead of myself. Listen, and all the meta related to it, needs its own post, as you say

[geekslave]

Sorry about your foot. I hope it's healing.

Stacey

[elisi]

It's currently mostly purple. And I have to hop everywhere. So no work for me! (Well, not tomorrow anyway...)

On the upside, meta! Writing!

And thank you. x

[geekslave]

Purple - yikes! But yay for time off work and for writing!

Stacey

[elisi]

This morning it's more of a delicate blue...

But yes, a little break is nice. (No pain, no gain. *g*)

[a_phoenixdragon]

I love this...this meta is perfect. and yes, Clara's reaction I TOTALLY GOT. I mean, he's HER Doctor (even as she saved the others, she did it because Eleventy!) and now...he's an unknown, even to himself. And this said it so, so much:

Eleven is my Doctor because he is Eleven.

I am beginning to like Twelve, he is different and interesting and I’m enjoying watching him. But he’s not ever going to be Eleven, and I will never love him in the same way.

None of them are meant to be enjoyed the same way, but I know what you mean.

I don't think it is so much he doesn't need her (because he has begged for her help in his own Doctory way three times at least within the first two episodes), but because he expects her to always be there because SHE ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

This makes sense to me. And we know her approval/disapproval is still important to him. No matter what he grumps about.

*HUGS*

(Hope your foot is better, lovie)

[elisi]

I love this...this meta is perfect. and yes, Clara's reaction I TOTALLY GOT. I mean, he's HER Doctor (even as she saved the others, she did it because Eleventy!) and now...he's an unknown, even to himself.
::nods:: She met Eleven when he was immensely comfortable in his own skin. Twelve is just... weird. ;)

None of them are meant to be enjoyed the same way, but I know what you mean.
As Anna once said: We don't love in amounts, we love in ways.

I don't think it is so much he doesn't need her (because he has begged for her help in his own Doctory way three times at least within the first two episodes), but because he expects her to always be there because SHE ALWAYS HAS BEEN.
Oh, that's excellent! Yes. Thank you.

This makes sense to me. And we know her approval/disapproval is still important to him. No matter what he grumps about.
It's what we all suspected - he's been turned inside out. Eleven looked harmless, but was v. dangerous. Twelve looks fearsome, but inside he can be very uncertain. <3

(Hope your foot is better, lovie)

[ragnarok_08]

That meta really makes a lot of sense :D

[elisi]

Yay! That's all I ask for! :)