Spike #1. Review thing.

[elisi]

So, new Spike comic and what do you know? I have meta! :) It’s been a while, so let’s see how I do? *flexes Buffy meta muscles* Oh yeah, like writing a bike! I’m going to do this with lots of subheadings, so people can pick and choose what part they want to read. Although there is some s8 snark scattered throughout. Sorry. I have issues.

Comments

[woman_of_]

It hasn't arrived for me yet, but had to read what you said (s8 has disillusioned me so much for the Buffy!Verse in Comic!Land). Good to know Lynch has pulled a rabbit out of a hat. Got his own original characters back (who were, in my opinion, fantastic), given Spike his own group, and the snarky, snippy relationship between Spike/Angel into the mix.

Sounds just perfect. I also love that Lynch has poked fun at Twilight in a way that still make me proud of my show, rather than what has happened in s8, with just makes me cringe in embbaressment.

[elisi]

It hasn't arrived for me yet, but had to read what you said (s8 has disillusioned me so much for the Buffy!Verse in Comic!Land).
Oh you and me both. *deep sigh*

Good to know Lynch has pulled a rabbit out of a hat.
He has rather. Good ol' Brian. (I get that some people don't like his style, in which case this is just more of the same of the stuff they didn't like the first time round. Ah well, their loss.)

Got his own original characters back (who were, in my opinion, fantastic), given Spike his own group, and the snarky, snippy relationship between Spike/Angel into the mix.
I love them all soooo much. ♥

Sounds just perfect. I also love that Lynch has poked fun at Twilight in a way that still make me proud of my show, rather than what has happened in s8, with just makes me cringe in embbaressment.
I can see why some people think it a stupid, silly thing. But if that's the worst thing you can throw at it... :)

[ever_neutral]

Well, I can add your review to the + pile then. *g*

I think they’d be very happy together (when they’re not throwing furniture at each other).

HA! So true.

I also think that Spike loves Angel (and vice versa). I think (ultimately) he stayed with Angel because he knew Angel needed him more [than Buffy did].

WORD. This is so how I see it too. ♥

Spike is more than happy to let Angel be King. ‘Cause he is smart enough to know that the princes have all the fun.

Oh, TOTALLY. Totally.

because Jacob really is pointless. He’s the guy who has NO CHANCE IN HELL, and is only thrown into the mix to create artificial tension.

Oh, I'd actually argue about this. Jacob is in the mix to represent Bella's only real connection to humanity (aside from Charlie). Because Twilight is failsome, the protagonist instead chose death ("forever") over either Jacob or, you know, independence - and it was portrayed as the right choice.

But ugh. Talking about Twilight makes me cranky.

it was Illyria and Angel and Spike, fighting and bickering and being so

[elisi]

Well, I can add your review to the + pile then. *g*
Aw, thank you! :)

HA! So true.
I will never not ship them. They were my first proper OTP...

WORD. This is so how I see it too. ♥
\o/ Spike and Angel in S5 is one of my favourite things ever. (I have written much meta on this...) Like I've said before - where have you been all my fannish life? ;)

Oh, TOTALLY. Totally.
Thank you!

Oh, I'd actually argue about this. Jacob is in the mix to represent Bella's only real connection to humanity (aside from Charlie). Because Twilight is failsome, the protagonist instead chose death ("forever") over either Jacob or, you know, independence - and it was portrayed as the right choice.
Well this was sort of my point (just badly expressed) - there is a conflict, but it's brushed aside as unimportant. (Plus, of course, Jacob is turned into a jerk who tries to force himself onto Bella...) Yeah, talking about Twilight makes me cranky too.

*bursts into tears* WHY. WHY DO IT. I will never not mourn the season 6 that never was.*clings* It's so

[shapinglight]

Goes to show how I've been feeling about the whole comics business recently that it's got to the stage now where I actually feel a bit scared to stick my hand up and say I agree with you (mostly. I didn't like the Twilight-mockage, partly because I loathe Spider so much that even seeing Spike refer to her as an ex-girlfriend' makes me feel queasy).

Season 8 Spike is fine as far as he goes, which isn't far since he's arrived on the scene so late, and thinking he's so much better than Lynch's Spike does seem to me to depend on a lot on not liking Angel very much.

I'm a pessimist about Spike's role in the Buffy comic (there's a surprise), and I've yet to see any real sign that Joss considers the character important or has any story to tell about him. At least Lynch wants to write about him.

And you're right. Comparing Spike to Jacob is insulting.

And now I feel like I said too much again. :sigh:

[sueworld2003]

"And now I feel like I said too much again. :sigh:"

Oh don't be silly. Hell are people daft enough to think that free speech only travels one way? *g*

[elisi]

Goes to show how I've been feeling about the whole comics business recently that it's got to the stage now where I actually feel a bit scared to stick my hand up and say I agree with you
*kicks all comic books soundly*

mostly. I didn't like the Twilight-mockage, partly because I loathe Spider so much that even seeing Spike refer to her as an ex-girlfriend' makes me feel queasy
Hey, I can understand that. But I like all the meta.

Season 8 Spike is fine as far as he goes, which isn't far since he's arrived on the scene so late, and thinking he's so much better than Lynch's Spike does seem to me to depend on a lot on not liking Angel very much.
It does rather, which is unfortunate. I think it's the BtVS/AtS schism. Most people seem to like one side or the other, not both. :(

I'm a pessimist about Spike's role in the Buffy comic (there's a surprise), and I've yet to see any real sign that Joss considers the character important or has any story to tell about him. At least Lynch wants to write about him.And Lynch tends to tread more

[shapinglight]

And Lynch tends to tread more carefully, being aware that he's playing with someone else's toys.

He knows he's a fanfic writer, I guess. Don't think he's ever claimed to be any more.

[sueworld2003]

"Everyone is OOC and badly drawn and the story makes no sense and they destroyed my Angel"

"Spike is still himself (miraculously), but I want him to do his thing and then run far far away from the train wreck again as fast as his undead legs can carry him."

Yep, got it in one. Run Spike as fast as you can! :D

[elisi]

Yep, got it in one. Run Spike as fast as you can! :D
It's like a thriller - will he escape from the evil clutches of OOCness, or will he, too, be drawn down into the pit of destroyed characters? (Oh dear, I fear I'm being too snarky. Again.)

[lynnenne]

Great review. I won't be buying the comics, but if you happen to know of a download I wouldn't say no. ;) I would love to read some Angel/Spike/Illyria banter that actually sounds like them.

I love Lynch's Spike. I loved him in After the Fall, and it sounds like I would love him in this. Of all the comic book writers, I think Lynch writes the Angel characters the best - and that includes all the former BtVS writers working on S8.

And YAY for mention of Connor!

[elisi]

Great review. I won't be buying the comics, but if you happen to know of a download I wouldn't say no. ;)
I'll see what I can do, but I can't promise anything, unfortunately.

I would love to read some Angel/Spike/Illyria banter that actually sounds like them.
It's very brief, but excellent. [I MISS MY SHOW!!!]

I love Lynch's Spike. I loved him in After the Fall, and it sounds like I would love him in this.
If the rest is as good as this, then I can wholeheartedly recommend it.

Of all the comic book writers, I think Lynch writes the Angel characters the best - and that includes all the former BtVS writers working on S8.
Very much so. He gets the tone of it just right (the darkness, the banter) and it makes a huge difference.

And YAY for mention of Connor!
I squeed! :)