A little bit of this and that...

Sep 07, 2009 11:00

So, I have 4 fics and two essays vying for attention in my head. This is rather tiring. So this morning I shall point you towards two good things, and chat a little about a third.

1) Short fic rec: How Xander Got Fired From That Phone Sex Line by gabrielleabelle. Hilarious!

2) Vid rec: Bachelorette by obsessive24. Absolutely *brilliant* vid looking at gender roles on ( Read more... )

children of earth, stuff

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selenak September 8 2009, 06:07:08 UTC
One other thing I've been pondering is Harriet Jones. There is of course the 'If the Doctor hadn't deposed her, things would have turned out differently', which is most probably true.

The thing is, I can't see how Harriet Jones would have been PM by the time the 456 arrived even if the Doctor had handed her flowers and congratulations at the end of The Christmas Invasion instead of saying those seven words. Had Harriet been at the height of her popularity and in power when the Master came to Earth, he'd simply have assassinated her (by proxy, most likely) because becoming PM was essential to his plans and he wouldn't have led something like a popular PM stand in his way. He probably would have been the first to hold heartfelt speeches about her martyrdom and get elected as her avenger, or something. Which still would have meant Brian Green as PM later on.

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elisi September 8 2009, 06:21:17 UTC
That is a good point, thank you.

(I still wonder if the 456 would have heeded the Doctor's warning. Of course he didn't show up so... *throws hands up* Might-have-beens are tricky.)

Oh! Since you're here, you've seen hollywoodgrrl's 'Marble House', right?

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selenak September 8 2009, 09:10:46 UTC
I still wonder if the 456 would have heeded the Doctor's warning. Of course he didn't show up so... *throws hands up* Might-have-beens are tricky.

They are. I've seen it argued that a reply would be unfair as the DWverse cheats by not bringing the Doctor in these type of situations to begin with, except that it does. (He doesn't always win the day, though he does more often than team Torchwood, that IS the nature of the show; and sometimes he does have to kill innocents, not "just" the guilty, to save more innocents. Ask the citizens of Pompeii. The difference is that we did not see the event where he had to do it to family members on screen, to wit, the Time War.) What is a difference in the conception of shows is that DW more often than not allows the human spirit to be a crucial factor in winning the day; situations like Midnight or the revelation about who the Toclafane are - and thus how humanity will inevitably end up - are the exception, not the rule ( ... )

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elisi September 8 2009, 17:13:36 UTC
though he does more often than team Torchwood, that IS the nature of the show
Indeed. And I'm still thrilled that they took 'Torchwood = Adult Doctor Who' and actually went with it.

What is a difference in the conception of shows is that DW more often than not allows the human spirit to be a crucial factor in winning the day
Yes, very much so. And the Toclafane are really not human anymore (much like cybermen), and in Midnight panic and terror were the driving forces. The monstrousness of the people in CoE was very different.

Jack and Ianto, otoh, made the mistake of going in and giving the big talk WITHOUT a plan B in case the 456 aren't bluffing. Which presumably the Doctor would not have done.
*nods* And it also showed the difference between humans and Time Lords - the Doctor can [almost] always pull a solution out of thin air, because he is quite simply that clever and knows that much. Humans are far more limited.

...all of which is assuming he'd have intervened, and this wasn't one of those "fixed" events.I think it probably ( ... )

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