I just opened all of your DW meta posts and arranged them chronologically. I am going to read them all over this weekend. I have watched through 5.10 I was so sad to see the end of Rory. I love Amy. Eleven is someone that I do not understand. I am hoping that reading some meta on the other Doctors and some early stuff about Eleven will clear him up for me.
If you have any recs for meta about Eleven BEFORE the end of his first series, I would love to look at that too. I just can't get a handle on him as a character. He seems so far removed from Ten. i felt that Ten was a natural progression from Nine. i felt that Ten had a definite development arc and saw how naturally that led to his ending. But I can't see how Eleven came out of that.
I am also going to be finishing up Eleven's series this weekend. Only a few eps left! Thanks for posting so much thinky stuff. I love to read people's thinky stuff.
I just opened all of your DW meta posts and arranged them chronologically. I am going to read them all over this weekend. Oh my goodness. That's... quite something. Although I don't know that this is a complete list. Will get back to you.
I have watched through 5.10 I was so sad to see the end of Rory. Oh Rory. *sniff* Although being a former disciple of Joss helps - I do expect my shows to stomp on my heart.
If you have any recs for meta about Eleven BEFORE the end of his first series, I would love to look at that too. I just can't get a handle on him as a character. He seems so far removed from Ten. i felt that Ten was a natural progression from Nine. i felt that Ten had a definite development arc and saw how naturally that led to his ending. But I can't see how Eleven came out of that. Well the first post that sprang to mind was this one: Eleventh Doctor - generic or iconic? (Stay away from the comments - there might be spoilers there, I'm not sure.) Anyway, you're certainly not alone in feeling that way. To quote a few snippets
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I can sort of see what you are saying about Eleven being a reactionary opposite of Ten. The result of all that angst and torment being thrown over and thrown out and rejected. but I can't see how your icon ties to that. I can't see how Eleven has rewritten Ten. I feel like Eleven has to have come out of Ten somewhere and I just can't find that opening in Ten. But maybe that means I am looking at it wrong. Maybe I am supposed to see Eleven as a rewritten version of The Doctor. Someone who negates everything that Ten was and almost means that Ten didn't happen. Maybe? I don't know.
I have only read the first few metas so far. I am still in Series Three ones :) The Master, oh man, I loved him so much!
I am adding that post you linked to my queue :) It's not very long, so there is that. And it was written post ep 3 of S5, if you want it chronologically. :)
but I can't see how your icon ties to that. I can't see how Eleven has rewritten Ten. I can explain this better once you've seen the 2010 Christmas Special. But briefly then my theory goes that in the moment of regeneration a Timelord changes all in one go, rather than, like a human, undergoing therapy and so on.
I feel like Eleven has to have come out of Ten somewhere and I just can't find that opening in Ten.I know the answer to this! (Funnily enough I've spent a LOT of time discussing this very topic - that's where the icon came from...) Anyway, I think the key to Eleven lies in Ten's death. Ten was (always) ready to make the big sacrifices - to give his life for the world. Being killed by the Master - or even better Rassilon - to save the universe was precisely the sort of ending he'd imagined. Except that's not what happened. He ended up dying for a single person - someone
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If you have any recs for meta about Eleven BEFORE the end of his first series, I would love to look at that too. I just can't get a handle on him as a character. He seems so far removed from Ten. i felt that Ten was a natural progression from Nine. i felt that Ten had a definite development arc and saw how naturally that led to his ending. But I can't see how Eleven came out of that.
I am also going to be finishing up Eleven's series this weekend. Only a few eps left! Thanks for posting so much thinky stuff. I love to read people's thinky stuff.
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Oh my goodness. That's... quite something. Although I don't know that this is a complete list. Will get back to you.
I have watched through 5.10 I was so sad to see the end of Rory.
Oh Rory. *sniff* Although being a former disciple of Joss helps - I do expect my shows to stomp on my heart.
If you have any recs for meta about Eleven BEFORE the end of his first series, I would love to look at that too. I just can't get a handle on him as a character. He seems so far removed from Ten. i felt that Ten was a natural progression from Nine. i felt that Ten had a definite development arc and saw how naturally that led to his ending. But I can't see how Eleven came out of that.
Well the first post that sprang to mind was this one: Eleventh Doctor - generic or iconic? (Stay away from the comments - there might be spoilers there, I'm not sure.) Anyway, you're certainly not alone in feeling that way. To quote a few snippets ( ... )
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I can sort of see what you are saying about Eleven being a reactionary opposite of Ten. The result of all that angst and torment being thrown over and thrown out and rejected. but I can't see how your icon ties to that. I can't see how Eleven has rewritten Ten. I feel like Eleven has to have come out of Ten somewhere and I just can't find that opening in Ten. But maybe that means I am looking at it wrong. Maybe I am supposed to see Eleven as a rewritten version of The Doctor. Someone who negates everything that Ten was and almost means that Ten didn't happen. Maybe? I don't know.
I have only read the first few metas so far. I am still in Series Three ones :) The Master, oh man, I loved him so much!
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It's not very long, so there is that. And it was written post ep 3 of S5, if you want it chronologically. :)
but I can't see how your icon ties to that. I can't see how Eleven has rewritten Ten.
I can explain this better once you've seen the 2010 Christmas Special. But briefly then my theory goes that in the moment of regeneration a Timelord changes all in one go, rather than, like a human, undergoing therapy and so on.
I feel like Eleven has to have come out of Ten somewhere and I just can't find that opening in Ten.I know the answer to this! (Funnily enough I've spent a LOT of time discussing this very topic - that's where the icon came from...) Anyway, I think the key to Eleven lies in Ten's death. Ten was (always) ready to make the big sacrifices - to give his life for the world. Being killed by the Master - or even better Rassilon - to save the universe was precisely the sort of ending he'd imagined. Except that's not what happened. He ended up dying for a single person - someone ( ... )
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