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[elisi]

I miss Hillary Clinton.
- Sarah Lerner (@SarahLerner) February 18, 2017

Penelope Trunk: Grit is overrated; the hardest worker never wins
Especially this part:

I have thought for a long time that all the time management gurus are men because men have huge chunks of time uninterrupted by children. And the workplace is organized for time

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[wolfy_writing]

I've had my concerns about the grit-as-buzzword thing. Like promoting hard work and pushing through the unpleasant is definitely good up to a point, but it's also something that, when overdone, produces unhealthy compliance. Which is really good for people in a position to profit (financially or otherwise) from other people's work. (Because the point of "Pushing harder isn't bringing the results I want" is usually well before the point of "My employee/student/subordinate is pushing themselves too hard and not giving me the results I want.")

Although, the bit about women's time is again sending my brain off in the direction of stuff that's For Women not being for me. (At some point, I want to put together some intelligent thoughts on that, because I know I'm an outlier, but I can't be that much of an outlier, and I feel like there can be a meaningful point about how often even feminist sources present Women's Experiences in a way that leaves a large percentage of women out, if I can just put a name on it. There's like a lot of

[elisi]

but it's also something that, when overdone, produces unhealthy compliance.
*nods a lot*

At some point, I want to put together some intelligent thoughts on that, because I know I'm an outlier, but I can't be that much of an outlier, and I feel like there can be a meaningful point about how often even feminist sources present Women's Experiences in a way that leaves a large percentage of women out, if I can just put a name on it.
I would be interested in reading that. And a lot of Women's Stuff presupposes children, which immediately cuts out a big chunk of women.

[wolfy_writing]

I read a thing about women with "low gender solidarity" being more likely to hold negative attitudes about other women, and I feel like that pulls into it somehow. And at the same time, I think some of that ties in with how much Women's Stuff is aimed at people who have or want kids, who are straight (a lot more of that, still, than one would think), who like presenting as feminine, who are or plan to be married, and who are within a certain range of the culture's beauty ideals. (And probably aimed heavily at white women - I don't always have the keenest eye for these things, as I'm white and it's harder to spot when you're being included in the default than when you're excluded.) And that connects together in a way I'm still trying to mentally develop.

[elisi]

I read a thing about women with "low gender solidarity" being more likely to hold negative attitudes about other women, and I feel like that pulls into it somehow.
Hm, yes. That and the Straight White Married With Children thing... It excludes, and that is counter-productive. Creates 'us and them'...

And at times like this, it helps to remember that the majority of white women voted for Trump. There are many issues, sadly. :(

[sea_thoughts]

But how do you define hard work or 'grit'? If your definition is 'first in, last out' then you are not taking into account people's other commitments (not just children but other family members who need assistance, animals, charitable organisations...)

Did you see this?

[elisi]

If your definition is 'first in, last out' then you are not taking into account people's other commitments
Exactly...

Did you see this?
I'd seen the list, but not paired with that video. God, I had forgotten that. 'Let me do the worrying'... :( :( :(

And now they have their fascist king. Ugh, what even is the world.

[sea_thoughts]

She was so gentle with that girl and so reassuring. GDI America.

[elisi]

I Miss Grandma Clinton. :(

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[a_phoenixdragon]

Thank you for the links, honey (I MISS HILLARY, TOO!)

*HUGS*

[elisi]

My pleasure and ALL THE BEST! <3

[ragnarok_08]

Thank you so much for the links!!

[elisi]

My pleasure. I keep gathering them, I have way more than I ever share...