Comments | eldarwannabe: A quick thought

eldarwannabe

A quick thought

Jul 15, 2011 13:39

So, let's take two steps back to before House of the Dead.

What if Jack was the one who was constantly sharing his feelings, saying "I love you" to Ianto a la this as a casual, everyday sort of thing, and Ianto was the emotionally closed one ( Read more... )

torchwood, meta

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eldarwannabe July 17 2011, 06:08:37 UTC

First, I should just say that everything lawsontl writes is GOLD-TOUCHED AND PERFECT.

I knew about the "Jack doesn't say I love you!" outcry before I actually watched Day Four, and while I can understand it in the overall sense that their relationship might have deserved some formal confirmation, in that moment on screen I'm totally in favor of the "Don't." I think it was more powerful and nuanced in that moment. Also "Jack and Ianto don't do sweet. They do fucked up and complicated." YES. YES THEY DO.

I still support the fact that Jack is hard to pin down as a character, but I see him being more open with his feelings than Ianto, certainly. *points to everything pocky_slash wrote* But Jack can be a closed book as well, seeing as he keeps everything close to the chest. And while it reads well for his character, we don't see it on the show. Canon is sparse for that one, which is frustrating, but leaves lots of room for opinions. Great for fic variety, at least.

Jack was a dick and Ianto an emo teenager in COE.I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD ( ... )

nancybrown July 19 2011, 01:11:46 UTC

I love this as a theory. There aren't many fics that explore Jack as the emotional "Does he like me back?" type, and it's just as valid a perspective on them as the reverse.

I would totally read your Ianto/Carlie. :)

eldarwannabe July 19 2011, 01:44:57 UTC

See, now that I've been pondering it, I've been reading all the fic I can find where it's Ianto that's closed off and Jack is the more open one. Ones with a full-on doubting Jack are much harder to find. (And I've been rereading Intersecting Geodesics. Because I do that every once in a while. :D)

The Carlie fic has stalled and I forced my poor roommate to listen to me ramble about it for a while. The upside is that I might have three fics spun out of Submission. I like to think I'm balancing the scales from all the House of the Dead fics.

nancybrown July 19 2011, 01:51:08 UTC

READ ALL THE FIC! :D

When it unstalls, I can't wait to see what you do with it. I honestly thought Submission was all the J/I we were going to get from the three plays. And I was glad to be mistaken in that.

eldarwannabe July 19 2011, 02:09:24 UTC

\o/ FOR THE FIC!

When I listened to Submission, I was convinced that Carlie was going to be our magical new information about Ianto, and that was the height of our J/I stuff. And when House of the Dead was halfway through, I though that the Ianto's dad stuff was our big reveal. Red herring the whole way!!

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sayanything76 May 4 2012, 00:27:15 UTC

I am SO sorry that I am leaving this comment here almost a year after the fact, but I am crawling through LJ posts for stuff like this and so...here I am. I am new to the DW/TW fandom as I just started watching both shows only a few months ago. Watched DW until Tennant left and then went to TW (to take a mini break so I could prepare to watch a totally new Doctor) and watched up to COE. Have just started watching the 5th series of DW. ANYWAY, after watching TW series 1-3, reading the Captain's Blogs, and then adding in stuff from the Radio Plays (as well as a few comments I have come across that some of the writers made regarding a few episodes), I have come up with my own theory as to how we were maybe suppose to see the Jack/Ianto relationship and would have seen it if all the writers and directors were on the same page as well as the show as a whole taking the time to show and not just tell. I hope it's ok that I am writing this and that you find it somewhat enjoyable to read. I am so sorry if this ends up coming across as ( ... )

sayanything76 May 4 2012, 00:27:37 UTC

Next, we have The Dead Line moment in the Radio Play that has Ianto fleeing the room after Jack reveals that he did indeed hear enough of Ianto's confession to respond that he had his importance in Jack's life wrong. He didn't want to admit that he had opened up like that and fled instead of staying and having an emotionally honest moment with Jack. Add this to the TTLM (possible) interpretation of the moment mentioned (kissing to stop Jack from saying anything more) and how Jack says in House of the Dead that he never PROPERLY told Ianto, it makes me think that Jack had been trying to let Ianto know (in these possibly awkward ways) what he felt for a while ( ... )

eldarwannabe May 4 2012, 01:21:09 UTC

Before I get any further, let me tell you that commenting on old posts like this will never in any way annoy me! I LOVE fandom conversation, as you may have noticed. Feed free to comment on anything I wrote! (And while I've got you here, I'm going to tell you that I'm planning to start my own Torchwood meta community soon, and I would love to have you join and share all of your Torchwood inspired thoughts!)

That said, welcome to the fandom!

I didn't hear about that stuff from Phil Ford, which is really cool. I have to say that a lot of fans have been reading that scene as romantic as they please, and I always liked the looks which could have meant anything, really. The way they Jack and Ianto look when they settle together look incredibly sweet to me - they're both a little awkward, but they're just figuring themselves out. It's the most public we've ever seen them, after all. And the moment in The Dead Line feeds very nearly into Ianto being the one holding back. Jack, at that point, seems ready to SAY something. Ianto can only ( ... )