Punk Rock Doctors

[effteedubrob]

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[drexplosivo]

Mad love for both the substance of the post and the examples you chose, but I have to take a bit of exception to the idea that the pop-punk movement really started with NOFX in the mid-eighties.

For me, it's really all about the Descendents, Bad Religion and the incomparable Minutemen. I think without those three "Orange Curtain" bands there really wouldn't be any NOFX.

But that's just my $0.02

[effteedubrob]

While I see your point, part of my thinking here is that of course earlier bands influenced more recent bands, that's how it works for the most part. But at some point in that continuity of this band influenced this band then they influenced this bad et cetera et cetera et cetera, there comes a point when the scene changes enough to get, what they call in ska a new "wave

[drexplosivo]

I think I see part of the confusion:
but started really in the mid 80s with NOFX. Which confounded me a bit, but your latest clears that up.

SO-I could chat you up all day about how there would be no "Basket Case" without "Clean Sheets" or how the Offspring's hip-hop leanings were more driven by Mike and George than they were by Eazy-E, but I've got a bigger question that speaks to our point...

How do you mark the sea change? Is it the underground band that's been plying their trade from the back of a van, or is the kids who were blown away by that band and make a record of their own which is blessed with "right place, right time"? Is it the pioneers, or the settlers?

[drexplosivo]

I think the coming and arrival of the sea change is not a definitive one. Sometimes it is the "pioneers" sometimes it's the "settlers" however I think that many times the sea change is largely influenced by the audience. Consider who the audience