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tuckp3 November 3 2010, 22:26:54 UTC
border patrol is such an interesting concept. i mean it shouldn't just be permeable, but dude a three layer fence is like a three layer cake, it's a little daunting at first, but it's three fucking layers of cake. so yeah, i'm gonna get through it. ALSO those fences end somewhere and basically, i can just walk around. so fuck you.

i'm ashamed to admit it, but i didn't vote. I DID vote in the primaries, which SO FEW people do, so i had some say in what was being vote on. but i usually, read through the what's on california's ballot tome the couple of days before and then go vote. life's been happening and it didn't occur to me that i would need to do an absentee ballot and then it was fucking election day and the politicos were blowing up my cell. le sigh.

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echo_fish November 4 2010, 03:56:22 UTC
border patrol is an interesting concept. the border is so long, people are going to get through, it's just going to happen. And usually, it's not a problem-- people come over, braving the heat and the desert, and, they survive, they go to work, make some money, then maybe/maybe not go back. It's fine; they work and help our economy. I've been moved to be supportive of a guestworker program so we can make it legal and safer for everyone (it gets the coyotes off their backs and the workers can make money and pay some taxes to offset medical/hospital costs). It just sounds too reasonable for some people.

the three-layer fence is absolutely ridiculous. Seriously, it's like a James Bond villain idea. Lasers on sharks is totally the most efficient way to kill people!. I know, I keep asking, what's going to go between the layers? Will it be a moat? Will we get sharks? will it be some sort of sticky substance that'll freeze people in place? it's such an absurd idea. and so expensive! (something like a million dollars a mile). ( ... )

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flippet November 3 2010, 22:47:21 UTC
I'm a little weird, but I'd spend a lifetime opposing a flag-burning amendment, damn it. People can burn the flag if they want.

Because even if burning the flag were illegal - it can't stop the sentiment behind it. And honestly? That's something you'd prefer to have out in the open, rather than underground.

People get scared, they get sucked in by the crazy.

That's what I've gleaned from this. I've looked at the numbers for who voted this time, as opposed to last time - and thought 'yep, so *those* are the easy-to-scare folks'.

And I &hearts you for quoting Sorkin.

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echo_fish November 4 2010, 04:09:38 UTC
Exactly! I don't want to shut down the sentiment; let's have it out, in public, as a part of a protest. Plus, burning the flag is exactly what you're supposed to do when the flag is old and in tatters, so really you'd just have a spate of people saying they're just following the u.s. flag code. in public. with lot's of people cheering them on. Not that there's a mad rush of flag burning or anything, and republicans seem to have given up that issue (for now; who knows what's coming ( ... )

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dr_anitacoffee November 3 2010, 23:52:13 UTC
I wrote on a flag once - I admit it. But it was just after the Patriot Act was enacted and I was really, really angry at the way the country was going, so I pinned it to my door along with a poster of John Kerry fist-fighting Bush. But see, at least back then, the Democrats got angry about things, and fought for things. Because we were mad, and our rights were being trampled, and we were scared out of our minds thinking of what a brainless little monkey was doing to our Constitution ( ... )

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echo_fish November 4 2010, 05:26:37 UTC
I'm so sorry about Feingold. What the hell happened? I mean, yes, Wisconsin has been known to vote for nutcases before ("no one ever looks like Joseph McCarthy; that's how they get in the door in the first place :)) but he's been senator for, what, 18 years? And his opponent thinks global warming is caused by sunspots. I don't understand. And I am really going to miss him on the judiciary committee. Damn. Hopefully Franken will stay.

I'm kind of pissed that so many young people stayed home. Damn it, guys, I stick up for us all the time. But I've been excited to vote since I was five, so I guess I can't understand people who can't be bothered to vote ( ... )

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