A little bit of knowledge

[eatheiun]

When I first became an atheist I had the habit of spewing underdigested infomation all over those that were closest to me. I've since learned that that came from a place of immaturity. It's contradictory to foist beliefs upon others when the belief you hold hopes to free people of such foisting. I need to digest and test the information that lands

Comments

[dickdawk]

"Should society allow irrational beliefs to be taught to children as absolute truth?"

Another question is . . .

In a Godless world, lacking objective morality and objective meaning . . . and in the end no ultimate purpose . . .

What difference does it even make?

[eatheiun]

This morality argument is silly.

To borrow from your namesake, (I'm assuming it's Richard Dawkins) "Are you telling me that if you didn't believe in god that you would be okay with committing rape and murder?"

Humanism, and subsequently consequentialism and rationalism, holds the best opportunity for we as humans to make ethical decisions. Being religious has not shown to make a person more moral, more altruistic, or more heroic than being nonreligious. Also, Christians fall on both sides of every major ethical debate for equally faith-based and scriptural reasons. (see www.rcrc.org for one example)

There is no objective or absolute morality, no objective meaning. Our lives have only the meaning we endow it with.

Lastly, who are you?

Or, if you have a need for anonymity, why? You obviously know who I am, let's level the playing field.

[dickdawk]

You just took this to a far extreme that was never even implied and you've completely missed the argument.

I never implied that you don't HAVE morals. You can follow an objective morality without ever acknowledging it's objective. So, to get it out of the way . . . ATHEISTS CAN BE MORAL PEOPLE.

Here was the point:

"There is no objective or absolute morality, no objective meaning. Our lives have only the meaning we endow it with."

From an atheistic worldview, in a world without objective morality and ultimate purpose . . . in a world where we all live for nothing, die for nothing, and cease to exist . . .

1. Where do you find your place telling others what *SUBJECTIVE* morality is right and which is wrong.
2. Why would your efforts even matter in the end?

Even if WE are the ones that give our lives meaning, it's silly to think the meaning we give to our lives has any value. Any meaning we create doesn't negate the fact that essentially we are still ultimately meaningless and worthless.

[dickdawk]

You are given a family heirloom. It's an ugly statue of an elephant that your great great great grandfather widdled from beach wood. It has ZERO intrinsic value, but for some reason, this is is your family's most protected and prized possession and you are ecstatic to receive it. Soon after you're given the elephant, you receive notice that your home is being foreclosed and you owe tens of thousands in back taxes. You rush to the bank with your elephant and plead with them to stop the foreclosure, claiming you have something of great value to settle your debt. You present the elephant, and in return receive a roar of laughter

Beating a dead horse

[eatheiun]

Thanks solandra so much for your support, time and effort. I hope this journal will get attention from more than just those making the arguments, so that people can judge for themselves whose are stronger.

Send me a message if you're ever too tired or busy to deal with a faith-head on your blog and I'll do my best to return the favor. 8^)