Missy seemed almost nonchalant about being killed, and someone pointed out that Missy glowed blue when she disappeared, not red, which is usually a sign of teleportation.
I want people to call Seb "the Sebroutine".
I hope the Brig didn't go into the stratosphere and blow up. I hope, if he's sufficiently himself to save Kate and "kill" Missy, that he's out there doing good of some kind.
Why did Danny take her to a cemetary and then stand off to one side? What was the point of that?
And I'm assuming that either Danny will return, or Clara is indeed pregnant, because otherwise, how would Orson Pink come about?
Oh, yeah, you're right, she did turn a different color!
I saw a Moffat interview where he said that his favorite thing about the Master is how he dies at the end of every single one of his stories and then when he comes back he's just like, "Hahaha, I escaped!" and everyone just moves on. So I now think that's totally his intention.
Ha! Sebroutine!
I also hope the Brig is out there doing good. That would be lovely.
I actually had a whole bullet point about how I didn't understand why Danny took Clara to the graveyard and what was the point of that. But then as I was watching I figured out that I *think* Danny intended to have a huge confrontation with her and then kill her? But then couldn't go through with it? I think? Why this couldn't all have happened in the 3W place, though, who knows?
And yeah, the Orson Pink thing means there must be more going on. Unless time's been rewritten...
It occurred to me later that, given that the Doctor scanned Clara with the screwdriver and called her a "mess of chemicals" (or whatever), if she was pregnant, he'd presumably know. But he didn't make any reference to it.
If he thought she didn't know yet, it would lend a little more motivation to his leaving her with the presumably resurrected Danny: she would want to stay home and gestate once she found out (he might believe). Or at any rate, not go gallivanting around the universe putting herself in danger.
Clara becoming a mother probably would be the end of their partnership: she never moved into the TARDIS full time, and it's one thing to stand up Danny or appear soaking wet in a party dress after running out of the TARDIS and into a cab, but it's quite another to do that when you have a child waiting for you.
It pains me to think that adventuring isn't compatible with hands-on motherhood, but unless you are married to a Time Lord (like a certain fictional character we know) it probably isn't.
Seems to me that this was Moff's response to the whole soldiers-are-bad theme we have had running through the show for years. Soldiers are not inherently bad, they are necessary and sometimes they have to do the least bad thing. Danny was the epitome of the conflicted soldier, but I felt he just channelled his angst into playing power games of moral one-upmanship with others. It's Moff's reply to the ludicrous anti-violence of Journey's End. I feel now the Doctor's learned to live with himself and he's ready to go home. And I am sure it's no coincidence that this story was so much a homage to the Brigadier, who finally gets to blow himself up and do good stuff in the process.
Like you I really disliked Danny - to me he represented the sanctimonious side of DW at its worst. I'm glad he's gone. The subtitle of this one should have been "Doctor Who and the Problem of Evil." It exists, and it's often twisted around with the good.
"The scene where the Doctor tries to go to Gallifrey and opens the TARDIS door and it's not there and he has that breakdown OH MY GOD. "
Is it not there? I got the impression that it was something more complicated than just the Master lying about it being there, because why would the Doctor get so upset/be surprised that the Master had lied? The reaction makes me think it was something especially tricky, although I don't know what that would be.
Oh. Huh. I just assumed that he had hoped-against-hope she wouldn't be lying, despite himself, and then he was so angry that he fell for it but he was still disappointed.
I've seen a suggestion that it was a Cyberized Gallifrey, which would certainly be maddening, but how he would tell that from way above I'm not sure. (Would it still have its... whatchamacallit, transduction barrier?)
...Really? Because he hasn't been doing such a great job lately...
Eh, I doubt they have much opportunity for performance reviews with him. ;)
Theirs is actually really a sad and tragic love story.
I agree.
"We don't want Americans bobbing around the place. They'll only start praying." HAHAHAHAHA.
Be fair; praying and shooting. :)
I really don't get how we're supposed to find any chemistry or anything with Danny and Clara either. (Maybe we're not supposed to? I dunno.)
The Brigadier storyline was so sweet and made me cry.
I've seen other people float headcanon that Handles is the Cyber!Brigadier. My husband said something like "No, because then I would cry too much."
Other person I was sad died: Seb.
I think Missy really only tolerates her own insane squeeing, heheh.
"You win." "I know." OH MY GOD. LIKE WHEN HE WAS DYING IN TEN'S ARMS AND HE SAID, "I WIN," AND THEN TEN SOBBED AND SOBBED OH MY GOD. ::loved this bit::
!!! inorite?
The scene where the Doctor tries to go to Gallifrey and opens the TARDIS door and it's not
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I want people to call Seb "the Sebroutine".
I hope the Brig didn't go into the stratosphere and blow up. I hope, if he's sufficiently himself to save Kate and "kill" Missy, that he's out there doing good of some kind.
Why did Danny take her to a cemetary and then stand off to one side? What was the point of that?
And I'm assuming that either Danny will return, or Clara is indeed pregnant, because otherwise, how would Orson Pink come about?
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I saw a Moffat interview where he said that his favorite thing about the Master is how he dies at the end of every single one of his stories and then when he comes back he's just like, "Hahaha, I escaped!" and everyone just moves on. So I now think that's totally his intention.
Ha! Sebroutine!
I also hope the Brig is out there doing good. That would be lovely.
I actually had a whole bullet point about how I didn't understand why Danny took Clara to the graveyard and what was the point of that. But then as I was watching I figured out that I *think* Danny intended to have a huge confrontation with her and then kill her? But then couldn't go through with it? I think? Why this couldn't all have happened in the 3W place, though, who knows?
And yeah, the Orson Pink thing means there must be more going on. Unless time's been rewritten...
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If he thought she didn't know yet, it would lend a little more motivation to his leaving her with the presumably resurrected Danny: she would want to stay home and gestate once she found out (he might believe). Or at any rate, not go gallivanting around the universe putting herself in danger.
Clara becoming a mother probably would be the end of their partnership: she never moved into the TARDIS full time, and it's one thing to stand up Danny or appear soaking wet in a party dress after running out of the TARDIS and into a cab, but it's quite another to do that when you have a child waiting for you.
It pains me to think that adventuring isn't compatible with hands-on motherhood, but unless you are married to a Time Lord (like a certain fictional character we know) it probably isn't.
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Like you I really disliked Danny - to me he represented the sanctimonious side of DW at its worst. I'm glad he's gone. The subtitle of this one should have been "Doctor Who and the Problem of Evil." It exists, and it's often twisted around with the good.
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Is it not there? I got the impression that it was something more complicated than just the Master lying about it being there, because why would the Doctor get so upset/be surprised that the Master had lied? The reaction makes me think it was something especially tricky, although I don't know what that would be.
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Eh, I doubt they have much opportunity for performance reviews with him. ;)
Theirs is actually really a sad and tragic love story.
I agree.
"We don't want Americans bobbing around the place. They'll only start praying." HAHAHAHAHA.
Be fair; praying and shooting. :)
I really don't get how we're supposed to find any chemistry or anything with Danny and Clara either. (Maybe we're not supposed to? I dunno.)
The Brigadier storyline was so sweet and made me cry.
I've seen other people float headcanon that Handles is the Cyber!Brigadier. My husband said something like "No, because then I would cry too much."
Other person I was sad died: Seb.
I think Missy really only tolerates her own insane squeeing, heheh.
"You win." "I know." OH MY GOD. LIKE WHEN HE WAS DYING IN TEN'S ARMS AND HE SAID, "I WIN," AND THEN TEN SOBBED AND SOBBED OH MY GOD. ::loved this bit::
!!! inorite?
The scene where the Doctor tries to go to Gallifrey and opens the TARDIS door and it's not ( ... )
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