I could've been that girl

Dec 13, 2004 07:16

Ok this may seem out of context. It's a direct reply to someone in this thread. Basically it's about why "free will" makes no difference in this society. But I wanna see what y'all feel about free will (and everything else I put in here). I don't have time to edit it [time check; 7:12 *sigh*], but it's clear as it is anyway. I hope. lol Something ( Read more... )

race, sex trade, schmapitalism

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infamousone December 13 2004, 14:37:59 UTC
I said it before and I'll say it again. People seriously do not look past the surface. Everything is taken for what it's worth which is why people are so easily manipulated.

Everyone wants a quick fix and everyone assumes that a quick fix exists. When people are so unwilling/unable to identify the true problem then it's easy to simplify the solution.

A problem that began centuries ago can be solved with a sentence that begins with "well, why don't you just...."

By George...why didn't I think of that?!?

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dyvinesweetness December 13 2004, 15:11:08 UTC
Seriously Tim. And this "I did it, why can't you?" shit will definitely drive me insane one day. As if we all live the same life, have the same experiences/opportunities. WHERE do people live that this is true? What country? What PLANET? It ain't Earth. And it damn sure nuff ain't America.

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smooches1_ December 13 2004, 16:44:47 UTC
Its sad because America is so busy trying to help everyone else that they are out of touch of what our own children are going through. Life as kids know it is tailored around what adults want and need. Once a child has an opinion, they are considered rebelling. Once we can tap into what are children feel and respect them as people, then we can began to assist them.

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dyvinesweetness December 13 2004, 23:55:24 UTC
"Its sad because America is so busy trying to help everyone else that they are out of touch of what our own children are going through."

What's really sad is American isn't even trynna help other countries. I mean, why are we in Iraq? It's not to help the Iraqis. It's not to find Osama. We found Saddam. We're there for ourselves. And we aren't doing shit about the AIDS epidemic in ANY African country.

"Once a child has an opinion, they are considered rebelling."

So true. I remember hating that "children are to be seen, not heard" saying. It's really disgusting.

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richirch2 December 13 2004, 19:30:06 UTC
I really don't know why you're even bothering going back and forth with that person. The comment about racism not being the main factor for black America's situation just eroded any type of common ground that could be reached.

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dyvinesweetness December 13 2004, 23:57:38 UTC
You're right, Steph. And my head hurts enough from this cold. Continuing with her will only make it throb more. I'm done. After she totally ignored every aspect of that scenario I presented, it showed her need to uphold the notion of free will overcomes any rationale she may have.

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blackestsheep December 14 2004, 02:42:04 UTC
poor baby... i hope u feel better...

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dyvinesweetness December 14 2004, 06:20:35 UTC
Thankies!

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blackestsheep December 13 2004, 19:56:09 UTC
The fault is capitalism... as a person who taught kids to be entreprenuers ( future capitalist ) i wouldn't say it's the problem... corporate greed... is the problem... there are no free lunches in this country... and money isn't bad... is waht you do with it that determines the effect it has... by teaching kids the principles that govern this country is effectively empowers them to understand they don't have to be victims of the system... they don't have to chase a quick buck... sell drugs, trick etc... now that said i don't disagee that the system puts some in positions to do horrible things for money... i can tell u story after story of shit that would make u wanna hurt some folks... free will ain't even free... choices cost...

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illwauk December 13 2004, 21:49:08 UTC
corporate greed... is the problem

No offense, but that's like saying race isn't the problem, it's racism... you can't have one without the other. Capitalism perpetuates corporate greed by putting business owners in an environment where every dollar they don't make is potential for a competetor to come in and run them out of business.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the establisment of small businesses (especially if Black owned and in Black communities). And I do like some of the elements of capitalism like having multiple choices on where to spend your money. But the burdens far outweigh the benefits.

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blackestsheep December 14 2004, 02:28:40 UTC
"you can't have one without the other ( ... )

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illwauk December 14 2004, 21:22:53 UTC
providing a product or service is no different than working for someone... you go to work and rent yourself to an employer for 8 hrs a day and at the end of 2weeks they pay you... you are in effect a product... and you are also selling your time... that by it's very nature makes you a capitalist... or at least a participant in the system...

It's not like I have a choice... if I was sick and decided to just take what I NEED from a drug store, I'd get arrested (if not killed, depending on how far I wanted to take it). And I wouldn't be able to use the fact that I believe in the "to each according to their needs" philosophy as a defense.

and while i agree there majority of multi nationals do practice "preditory capitalism"... the practice of being in engaged in commerce is one of the few things that gives the powerless and subjugated the chance at rising above the oppression...Not really. Capitalism dictates that you have to spend money in order to make money. So if you don't have money, your chances of rising above opression are ( ... )

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ranata December 13 2004, 20:27:31 UTC
she was dealt a bad hand. none of that was her fault.

I just read a book and one of the characters was being raped by the foster father while the foster mother ignored it. she left the house and had to live on the street, do anything for a warm meal and a bed to rest her head in. It's called "One Day I Met A Black King" by J.D. Mason. It was good, sad, but a really good read.

I can say that wouldn't have happened to me but like you said Eb, that could have been me if circumstances turned out like this girl's did...

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dyvinesweetness December 14 2004, 00:12:32 UTC
"she was dealt a bad hand. none of that was her fault."

Exactly. But unfortunately when most of us see a prostitute or drug addict or anyone else deemed a social deviant we just look at who they are now as if folks pop out the womb with a crack pipe in hand.

And thanks. I might read that book.

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ranata December 14 2004, 00:25:40 UTC
If you do read the Prequel (it came out after that book and is better) called "Don't Want No Sugar" by J.D. Mason..it's a really good read...

but you are right about the seeing a crackhead or prostitute and saying "well that's what they wanted to do with themselves"..I live next door to a crackhouse and they have me on roll with the antics but it's really sad to know you are dependant on something so much you'll ruin your life for it..but again..who knows, they could have been dealt a bad hand like alot of people. Life can be so depressing sometimes..

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