Comments | dylant: These are the days of miracle and wonder aka Set phasers to party aka Why i loved the new Star Trek

dylant

These are the days of miracle and wonder aka Set phasers to party aka Why i loved the new Star Trek

Jun 15, 2013 21:11

OR How I LEarned to Stop Worrying and Love the JJ Team's Rebootverse, including Star Trek Into Darkness

I originally posted this all to fiercynn's dreamwidth (which was a total bombardment, as I don't know even know her, except via some good Star Trek Into Darkness fic recs she just posted) in response to a post she wrote about how she actually really ( Read more... )

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killabeez June 15 2013, 20:52:27 UTC

Believe me, I tried hard to love this movie. I was really hoping! I enjoyed the first one a lot, even though it didn't quite grab me in that fannish way, and I thought this one might. I do love the method of the reboot, and how it gives them the freedom to reinvent everything.

For the record, I never said I hated it. I didn't even really review it-just linked to liviapenn's review, which I agreed with, including the positive parts (like "3. If you want a movie that says, "the relationship between Kirk and Spock is a love story," this is TOTALLY A LOVE STORY BETWEEN KIRK AND SPOCK.")

What I said is that I was surprised to find that for me, what made me fannish about K/S (and Kirk) in particular was my 12-year-old's impression of how isolated Spock was, and what it meant to him to win Kirk's respect and unconditional acceptance, after never experiencing that from anyone else. This element doesn't exist in the new Trek. Spock isn't isolated, he isn't rejected by his parents, he's respected by everyone in Starfleet (sometimes except Kirk). ETA ( ... )

dylant June 17 2013, 18:26:30 UTC

Yes, you're totally right of course. Sorry about that -- you linked to liviapenn's review and never said you hated it ( ... )

dylant June 17 2013, 18:34:32 UTC

1) I don't think this Spock is as different as he seems.(**SEE footnote) Firstly, I think there's still a level that he doesn't share with Uhura *at all,* and second, he was still bullied terribly as a child (to the canon-extent that the 2009 film lifts whole bits of bullying dialogue directly from the Animated Series's "Yesteryear" for those scenes!), and finally, he still has a history of estrangement from his father -- a shorter one yes, rather than the longer one revealed in "Journey To Babel." Sure, this nu!estrangement seemingly only lasts as long as his Starfleet Academy training and into his first year or so as a professor at the Academy/serving under Pike (so what? like 4/5 years? My father was only estranged for two years from his father for some of the choices he made in his own identity -- and his mother, very Amanda-like, had to patch them up finally -- but that was long enough to definitely change some things between them, I think, for a good while and perhaps forever). So Spock does reunite with Sarek after the ( ... )

dylant June 17 2013, 18:34:42 UTC

So I guess the TOS formula was: 1) a Jim damaged by Tarsus and quite private and in control in his leadership style ("I need my pain!") but fundamentally 75% functioning + 2) a Spock who was highly competent but guarded as hell and inwardly not doing so well = which equaled a relationship where Jim was able to give Spock the unconditional acceptance he needed VERSUS the Reboot formula with 1) a Jim who is fundamentally even more damaged and unsure and angry + 2) a Spock who is again highly competent and a little less unsure but still quite lost = equalling a relationship with more verbal and physical explosions, hiding, of course, the same love drama as always ( ... )

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