The whole Rose-being-killed scene just wrecks me. The Doctor instantly collapses and goes numb. Even others' voices are faded and indistinct. He doesn't care that there's a killer robot there or guards with guns - he's gone.
The first time I watched these episodes, my reaction to this scene was "OMWTFBBQ?!?!?!". I knew that Billie wasn't leaving, but it still shocked the hell out of me. And then when he picked up some of her ashes I started balling.
GET IT??? Heh heh. Nope, I still didn't get it until Rose actually said she was the Bad Wolf.
In this shot, where she sees the Bad Wolf graffiti I had a sneaking suspicion that Bad Wolf had absolutely everything to do with her, but I didn't know for certain until she said it. And then I smacked myself in the forehead.
The regeneration. I wound up watching the entire S1 over a weekend in July 2005, and was completely spoiled about CE leaving the show before I watched any of it. I knew he would be gone by the time I finished watching the series, and so I probably wasn't as emotionally
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The first time I watched these episodes, my reaction to this scene was "OMWTFBBQ?!?!?!". I knew that Billie wasn't leaving, but it still shocked the hell out of me. And then when he picked up some of her ashes I started balling.
I remember being pretty shocked as well. And then I quickly decided that they must get her back, maybe through time travel or something, and so I wasn't *too* worried.
Oh, I balled, and I'm not ashamed to say it. Friends of mine, who introduced me to NuWho (I have vague recollections of watching when I was a child) had already seen all of Series 2 and just purchased Series 3, so I knew that Chris was leaving and David was taking over. I don't think I cried quite as hard as I would have had I not known prior, but it still left me pretty upset.Awwwwww. I'm not sure why exactly it never quite got me to tear up. I thought that maybe since I'd gotten sniffly over Nancy this last time, that this time I'd have a sniffle moment as well. Maybe I've got way too much of that mindset of the Doctor being the Doctor,
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Awwwwww. I'm not sure why exactly it never quite got me to tear up. I thought that maybe since I'd gotten sniffly over Nancy this last time, that this time I'd have a sniffle moment as well. Maybe I've got way too much of that mindset of the Doctor being the Doctor, no matter what he looks like, so he's still there... I dunno. It's a beautiful scene and should make me cry. I'm a bit envious of those who do.
Well, to be honest and fair, I am a bit of a sap who cries at movies/tv shows all the time. My aunt used to hate to take me to the movies because I would always cry. Now that I think about it, All Dogs Go to Heaven was the last movie she took me to. Nope, I take that back. Forrest Gump was. Maybe if she had taken me to see a comedy or two she might not have had that complaint. ;0)
I'm flirting with tangent territory, aren't I?
I had no idea that end part in Doomsday was coming, and it angered me to no end. I felt like my soul had been ripped out and suddenly a clown runs up to tweak my nose - first comes the shock and then
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The whole Rose-being-killed scene just wrecks me. The Doctor instantly collapses and goes numb. Even others' voices are faded and indistinct. He doesn't care that there's a killer robot there or guards with guns - he's gone.
Yeah, that scene always feels like such a punch in the gut. Russell *really* knows how to deliver his emotions because they pretty much keep going after that moment.
But now looking at this moment, I can see S3 here - it's like an expanded version of this "Bad Wolf" moment: the Doctor's lost Rose and while he goes on, you're never exactly sure just how much of his darkness will surface because she's not there. Will he kill everyone on Floor 500? S3 - Will he get the Daleks to kill him like he demands? Will he really carry out a sadistic eternal punishment on his enemies? (Yeah, still traumatized from the end of "Family of Blood," thanks.)*NODS
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I think there's a part of the Doctor, at least post-Time War, that seems to be close to madness. And not the "cute eccentric alien" type of madness, but the despairing black hole kind. And it *is* frightening because you almost get the sense at times in S3 that he just doesn't care anymore.
DEFINITELY. And for someone with that kind of power, that is frightening. He's so prone to playing God these days, and I'm not sure if it's worse if he doesn't recognize it or worse if he does. He just kept getting more isolated and disturbing as S3 went on.
Nice angle on that! It definitely brings out a determination in Rose that just WOWS me. *HUGS ROSE*
Thanks! It just really struck me this time. "That you don't just give up. You don't just let things happen. You make a stand. You say no. You have the guts to do what's right when everyone else just runs away, and I just can't..." She's frustrated and angry, and it was the Doctor who caused it.
Yeah, I was kinda pissed at this new guy. Thought he had a cheesy grin. Took him a while to win me over, but I love him plenty now. However, Nine is *my* Doctor and always will be
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TARDIS: *lands* Daleks: *wait* Jack: *poking head out of TARDIS* Ah, it'll be a few minutes-- Rose: *from inside* Oh, yes, God, yes, just like that, DOCTOR! Jack: The Doctor and Rose are just, um-- Doctor: ROSE! Jack: I'm gonna see if I can help out. You folks just cool your, um, wheels for a bit, 'kay? Rose: *screams* Jack: Wow. *closes door* Daleks: . . . exterminate?
Yeah, I was kinda pissed at this new guy. Thought he had a cheesy grin.
I kinda thought there might be some that had this initial reaction when I watched it this last time. Never really thought about it before, but it's completely a Donna moment which cheesed me off.
The Bad Wolf thing--it kind of brings the season full-circle from "Rose," in which the Doctor tartly informed Rose that it *wasn't* all about her, and we got the lovely, "So, what you're saying is that the whole world revolves around *you*," "Sort of, yeah," conversation. In this case, he see the Bad Wolf following them around and thinks it's a message for *him*. Never does it occur to him that it is, in fact, all about Rose.
It’s interesting that the Doctor talks about Bad Wolf being related to him, and Rose is simply trapped. The Bad Wolf thing is beyond the realm of humans. It’s on his level, and so it doesn’t even cross his mind that Rose would be involved, much less being the Bad Wolf.
And in some ways, I think he still doesn’t get it. He didn’t seem to notice the Bad Wolf poster in “Gridlock.” And he thinks what Rose did to Jack was an accident and a mistake. (I’m not sure it was either.)
I hope when she gets back, she has all her memories back. And I hope she and the Doctor finally talk-on-screen-about what happened in this episode.
I can see S3 here-it’s like an expanded version of this “Bad Wolf” moment: the Doctor’s lost Rose and while he goes on, you’re never exactly sure just how much of his darkness will surface because she’s not there.You saw flashes of it in season two as well-when Rose got hurt, things got very, very simple for the Doctor. And yet somehow season three still caught me off guard. I’m not sure why. (You mention the Doctor
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And in some ways, I think he still doesn’t get it. He didn’t seem to notice the Bad Wolf poster in “Gridlock.”
Although, that really was way off in the background. Not sure he even looked in that direction.
And he thinks what Rose did to Jack was an accident and a mistake. (I’m not sure it was either.)
Now that very well *could* be another example of him not quite being able to see something bigger. He really has a hard time seeing past what he already knows.
I hope when she gets back, she has all her memories back. And I hope she and the Doctor finally talk-on-screen-about what happened in this episode.
I think I'd love to see Rose and Jack talking about it, even more than the Doctor and Rose. I think she'd want to know about Jack and want to be able to talk to him about it.
You saw flashes of it in season two as well-when Rose got hurt, things got very, very simple for the Doctor. And yet somehow season three still caught me off guard. I’m not sure why.Yeah, I really wasn't expecting to see him the way he was in S3. It
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I think partly because it seemed more of a no-way-out resignation, while in S3 he was… cracked.
I saw it as anger (in season three, I mean). He was bitter there in a way that he wasn’t, here.
But then, this was before Rose came back for him. Before he started believing in “forever.” When he did that, he opened himself up to a whole new level of pain. (And people think Nine was the “vulnerable” Doctor? Ha.)
But then, this was before Rose came back for him. Before he started believing in “forever.” When he did that, he opened himself up to a whole new level of pain. (And people think Nine was the “vulnerable” Doctor? Ha.)
That is so true. It really did take him ages to actually *get* to that point - to think that maybe, just this once... And Doomsday happens.
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The first time I watched these episodes, my reaction to this scene was "OMWTFBBQ?!?!?!". I knew that Billie wasn't leaving, but it still shocked the hell out of me. And then when he picked up some of her ashes I started balling.
GET IT??? Heh heh. Nope, I still didn't get it until Rose actually said she was the Bad Wolf.
In this shot, where she sees the Bad Wolf graffiti I had a sneaking suspicion that Bad Wolf had absolutely everything to do with her, but I didn't know for certain until she said it. And then I smacked myself in the forehead.
The regeneration. I wound up watching the entire S1 over a weekend in July 2005, and was completely spoiled about CE leaving the show before I watched any of it. I knew he would be gone by the time I finished watching the series, and so I probably wasn't as emotionally ( ... )
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I remember being pretty shocked as well. And then I quickly decided that they must get her back, maybe through time travel or something, and so I wasn't *too* worried.
Oh, I balled, and I'm not ashamed to say it. Friends of mine, who introduced me to NuWho (I have vague recollections of watching when I was a child) had already seen all of Series 2 and just purchased Series 3, so I knew that Chris was leaving and David was taking over. I don't think I cried quite as hard as I would have had I not known prior, but it still left me pretty upset.Awwwwww. I'm not sure why exactly it never quite got me to tear up. I thought that maybe since I'd gotten sniffly over Nancy this last time, that this time I'd have a sniffle moment as well. Maybe I've got way too much of that mindset of the Doctor being the Doctor, ( ... )
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Well, to be honest and fair, I am a bit of a sap who cries at movies/tv shows all the time. My aunt used to hate to take me to the movies because I would always cry. Now that I think about it, All Dogs Go to Heaven was the last movie she took me to. Nope, I take that back. Forrest Gump was. Maybe if she had taken me to see a comedy or two she might not have had that complaint. ;0)
I'm flirting with tangent territory, aren't I?
I had no idea that end part in Doomsday was coming, and it angered me to no end. I felt like my soul had been ripped out and suddenly a clown runs up to tweak my nose - first comes the shock and then ( ... )
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I'm not someone who does. Unless it's really really touching.
Fantabulous description! Couldn't have said it better myself!
:D Thanks! Now I just have to try and put my Donna annoyance aside for this year...
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The whole Rose-being-killed scene just wrecks me. The Doctor instantly collapses and goes numb. Even others' voices are faded and indistinct. He doesn't care that there's a killer robot there or guards with guns - he's gone.
Yeah, that scene always feels like such a punch in the gut. Russell *really* knows how to deliver his emotions because they pretty much keep going after that moment.
But now looking at this moment, I can see S3 here - it's like an expanded version of this "Bad Wolf" moment: the Doctor's lost Rose and while he goes on, you're never exactly sure just how much of his darkness will surface because she's not there. Will he kill everyone on Floor 500? S3 - Will he get the Daleks to kill him like he demands? Will he really carry out a sadistic eternal punishment on his enemies? (Yeah, still traumatized from the end of "Family of Blood," thanks.)*NODS ( ... )
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:D Thanks!
I think there's a part of the Doctor, at least post-Time War, that seems to be close to madness. And not the "cute eccentric alien" type of madness, but the despairing black hole kind. And it *is* frightening because you almost get the sense at times in S3 that he just doesn't care anymore.
DEFINITELY. And for someone with that kind of power, that is frightening. He's so prone to playing God these days, and I'm not sure if it's worse if he doesn't recognize it or worse if he does. He just kept getting more isolated and disturbing as S3 went on.
Nice angle on that! It definitely brings out a determination in Rose that just WOWS me. *HUGS ROSE*
Thanks! It just really struck me this time. "That you don't just give up. You don't just let things happen. You make a stand. You say no. You have the guts to do what's right when everyone else just runs away, and I just can't..." She's frustrated and angry, and it was the Doctor who caused it.
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And I am so with you on the Doomsday thing.
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Daleks: *wait*
Jack: *poking head out of TARDIS* Ah, it'll be a few minutes--
Rose: *from inside* Oh, yes, God, yes, just like that, DOCTOR!
Jack: The Doctor and Rose are just, um--
Doctor: ROSE!
Jack: I'm gonna see if I can help out. You folks just cool your, um, wheels for a bit, 'kay?
Rose: *screams*
Jack: Wow. *closes door*
Daleks: . . . exterminate?
Mwa! XD
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I kinda thought there might be some that had this initial reaction when I watched it this last time. Never really thought about it before, but it's completely a Donna moment which cheesed me off.
The Bad Wolf thing--it kind of brings the season full-circle from "Rose," in which the Doctor tartly informed Rose that it *wasn't* all about her, and we got the lovely, "So, what you're saying is that the whole world revolves around *you*," "Sort of, yeah," conversation. In this case, he see the Bad Wolf following them around and thinks it's a message for *him*. Never does it occur to him that it is, in fact, all about Rose.
Oh, NICE example!
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And in some ways, I think he still doesn’t get it. He didn’t seem to notice the Bad Wolf poster in “Gridlock.” And he thinks what Rose did to Jack was an accident and a mistake. (I’m not sure it was either.)
I hope when she gets back, she has all her memories back. And I hope she and the Doctor finally talk-on-screen-about what happened in this episode.
I can see S3 here-it’s like an expanded version of this “Bad Wolf” moment: the Doctor’s lost Rose and while he goes on, you’re never exactly sure just how much of his darkness will surface because she’s not there.You saw flashes of it in season two as well-when Rose got hurt, things got very, very simple for the Doctor. And yet somehow season three still caught me off guard. I’m not sure why. (You mention the Doctor ( ... )
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Although, that really was way off in the background. Not sure he even looked in that direction.
And he thinks what Rose did to Jack was an accident and a mistake. (I’m not sure it was either.)
Now that very well *could* be another example of him not quite being able to see something bigger. He really has a hard time seeing past what he already knows.
I hope when she gets back, she has all her memories back. And I hope she and the Doctor finally talk-on-screen-about what happened in this episode.
I think I'd love to see Rose and Jack talking about it, even more than the Doctor and Rose. I think she'd want to know about Jack and want to be able to talk to him about it.
You saw flashes of it in season two as well-when Rose got hurt, things got very, very simple for the Doctor. And yet somehow season three still caught me off guard. I’m not sure why.Yeah, I really wasn't expecting to see him the way he was in S3. It ( ... )
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I saw it as anger (in season three, I mean). He was bitter there in a way that he wasn’t, here.
But then, this was before Rose came back for him. Before he started believing in “forever.” When he did that, he opened himself up to a whole new level of pain. (And people think Nine was the “vulnerable” Doctor? Ha.)
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That is so true. It really did take him ages to actually *get* to that point - to think that maybe, just this once... And Doomsday happens.
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