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[dsgood]

There are people who believe conservative science fiction and fantasy have been unfairly slighted in the World Science Fiction Society awards (aka the Hugos.) As some of you know, this year two groups have tried to remedy the problem they see

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[don_fitch]

Oh, yes. I've been in s-f Fandom for a bit over 50 years, and I'd say that the vast majority -- over 80%, and perhaps over 90% -- of the fans I've known have been.... ummm.... distinctly more liberal &/or progressive than the average American. We're the ones who created the Hugos, and voted for them, year after year. (Sometimes unwisely, yes, though we still carry on "spirited discussions" [the modern term seems to be "flame wars"] regarding the virtue of many of those choices

[jordan179]

The protagonist is a girl of about that age, who teaches the boys in her life that being Smart works much better than being Violent. This seems almost calculated to give Conservatives of the Puppy type The Creeping Horrors, over and above the fact that he's come out in favor of people having sex with consenting adults even if they are not married, and of people marrying others of their own sex.

That's incredibly funny, but not for the reasons you imagine. Pretty much all the Sad Puppies are in favor of intelligence as opposed to brute force, and one of the Sad Puppies' most prominent leaders, Sarah Hoyt, wrote at least one novel which has a happy ending for the protagonist -- he marries his True Love ...

... another man.

[don_fitch]

Thank you -- I should have known better than to use such a large brush. Not to mention ascribing too much to Beal (whose Attitudes do seem to me to be thoughouly noxious}. And all I've read by Hoyt has been quotes from her blog, wherein her writing style seems to be at a distinct angle from my comprehension.

And no, I've never gotten personally acquainted with any members of either group of Puppies -- apparently none of them have moved in the same fannish circles as I have. And, frankly, their single ulnifying factor -- the idea of Organizing to establish a Slate and win Hugos for works that support some particular Political persuasion -- is one that I find ... repulsive.

[jordan179]

Beal is the organizer of the Rabid Puppies. There are several organizers of the Sad Puppies. They are different groups.

Furthermore, there was already a slate voting system, operated by the Tor Clique. The Puppies simply put forth their own suggestions. And, given that neither of the three sides involved have any power to compel anyone to vote their slates, what's the problem with having more than just the Tor Clique?

Hoyt writes a heck of a lot like Heinlein did. The 1940's through early 1960's Heinlein, back when he was still properly edited.

[jordan179]

The strawman versions of the Sad Puppies, who are evil racist and sexist white male supremacists, would indeed be offended. The actual Sad Puppies like a lot of those books.

Have you ever gotten to know any of the actual Sad Puppies?