tl;dr meta part 1, SG1- centric

[dragojustine]

I kind of adore character meta that comes from different ways of organizing/categorizing characters, by whatever psychological classification you use. I could eat that type of meta up with a spoon.

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[dragojustine]

I find it easier to go by trait- all four of the original team are introverts (oh my GOD, are they). I actually think the fact that the two added characters are extraverts (actually, three. I mean, Jonas too, right?) is a huge reason the *feel* of the show changed so much. It's actually a bit weird, that the original team of all introverts worked as well as it did. Close groups of introverts are funny like that- either bonded together for life, or barely recognize each other

[dragojustine]

oh, i've tested as an ENTJ all the way. no question. isn't that obvious?

Well, the N and the J were. Is it really possible to determine if a person is introverted by talking to them online (if you're not talking about their daily life much)? Because dealing with people online and off are two *completely* different things for me, as far as the energy that's required.

I agree on Sam and Daniel- while there are moments that he does argue for decisions based on empathy and humanitarian concerns, overall drive is more about ideas. And Sha're did blindside him.

[green_grrl]

I love new ways of looking at people! This is wonderful, chewy food for thought when writing characters.

(Also? Another VAK, apparently! *waves*)

I feel like there needs to be another layer of primary-secondary, or a where-on-the-spectrum scale for this Markova stack. (I'm all about shades of gray!) Or application of my 90% rule: any system of classification like this that's any good can drop people into pretty good pigeonholes, but will still be ~10% off on a particular individual.

For example, Daniel is actually big on touch, too--for things, anyway. He's always reaching out to brush the artefacts he's examining with his fingers, like he can't read the inscriptions without his fingers (which I actually find appalling for an archeologist, but that's TV ;-). Ah, well, it makes for lovely handporn. I also think his characterization as clumsy is more fanon than canon. A working archeologist will have a certain set of physical skills, and Daniel was forced to pick up a new set, along with new clothing, new equipment, etc., but it

[dragojustine]

I am completely with you on the 90%- none of these classification systems do better than that. The point isn't to make the boxes perfect, it's to USE the boxes for something- in this case, sensory perception in POV. (Hello, I am INTJ. We are obsessed with systems, and are pragmatic rather than idealistic about them *g*)

I think possibly I overstated the weaknesses in my post, because I completely agree with your fanon vs canon link. We don't see Daniel being any kind of slapstick klutz, but that isn't necessary. I'm firmly K-unconscious, and I'm not a slapstick klutz, and I'll bet you aren't either. But... "Hey, Daniel! You need to deal with either [random physical skill: bowhunting] or [random visual skill: analyze this strange painting!]" Which, really, is he going to be more comfortable with? Similarly with Jack not being completely incapable- spoken words just aren't where he's most comfortable living.

RE the Daniel always touching artifacts thing: I had blocked that out because it makes me shudder. Did nobody do any

[green_grrl]

Hee! ITA with everything in this comment! (And, yes, give me a painting to analyze over bowhunting--at least if you want results today. ;-) Touch-starved!Daniel--absolutely. So guarded about touch, too, to his detriment.

(I'm all about the babbling. I wrote two ridiculously long astrological metas about Jack and Daniel.)

[dragojustine]

Babbling meta writers unite!

Re: INFJ

[dragojustine]

By all means read princessofg's comments here- I think she does this better than I do. But yes, people use myers-briggs (And hogwarts houses, and any other psychological categorization system you can think of) as a framework for discussing characters all the time. Yaay fandom, eh?

he stalked around outside and built some widgety thing in his darkroom to vent his frustration

Oh, S types. I will just about never understand that (he... worked with his hands? Willingly? And that made him feel BETTER? heh, takes all kinds.)

RE: NLP, keep in mind that it's often dismissed as junk science. I brought up that framework not because I think it's the most theoretically convincing system out there, but because it was an effective and interesting way to babble about characters for a bit. Which doesn't mean you shouldn't look it up- it's good to learn about things while holding those reservations in the back of your head!