It was a combination of fault in this episode which I admit is one that leaves me bawling. The Doctor brought her there and should have kept better tabs on the situation. He was being careless and trying to impress her. I don't think Rose planned on saving her father. She was being impulsive and emotional and very human which is what is so great about her character. There's a lot we don't know about the lead up to this incident but we can assume he's been traveling with her and tinkering here and there with little consequence to events. It took a while for her impulsive action to hit home and when it did, she was horrified
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Of all the things I could blame Rose for, saving her dad on the spur of the moment when she had no idea what the consequences could be is not near the top of the list.
Rose is responsible for her own actions, and what she did wasn't smart. However, the whole situation should have been the Doctor's responsibility, and it's mostly his fault what happened
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I sometimes get the impression in Father's Day that he's not exactly sure what the repercussions of him being the Only Time Lord are yet. I don't think he expected Chronovores.
The Doctor shouldn't have been so damn stupid, he had to have known how tempting it would be. It's not Rose's fault that Nine does everything she asks (though she's be kind of manipulative about it there I suppose). She's Good so he'll do whatever she says to prove that he himself is Good. Which is really effed up, nobody is perfect and putting her on a pedestal like that caused all kinds of problems for both of them.
Do you blame Rose more for the situation, or the Doctor? The Doctor. I don't even have to think about it. Absolutely nothing in Rose' conversation hints that she understands the repercussions of Time Travel. She is like the scientist of Jurassic Park. She's too enamored with the fact that the Doctor can travel in space to worry about what they can or cannot do. Furthermore, it is clear that Rose's lack of scientific curiosity, her sheer joy in the wonder is the reason the Doctor cherishes her. The term Time Lord is just some pompous title to her; and in reality the Time Lords as a whole didn’t handle the ability any better than any of the Doctor’s companions or the Time Agents for that matter. No reason she should give the responsibility of becoming a time traveler any more or less consideration than her guide: The Doctor himself. Should the Doctor have taken her to witness her father's death to begin with, and taken her back for do-over? There seems no yes or no, or right or wrong to the first part of this question.
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I agree that the second time he should have known what she was going to do. He should've explained that they couldn't go again because of reprecussions. Or just explain the whole scenerio. But he took her back anyway.
And I loved Pete also in the episode. As for if Rose understood what her father did for her at the end? We'll probably never know canon-wise. But personally, probably a little but she probably won't accept it.
I agree with you, except that I don't think the Doctor is too old for Rose. Yes, of course, he is super old. But I guess I see the whole relationship through the eyes of Romance. Some people are just right for each other, and things like age, experience, or relative power don't come into it, imho. (btw I am two years older than Mr. Liss; we met when I was 19.)
The only "equal" imho who could have been romantically involved with the Doctor was Romana, and I get the impression that even though she loves him (as all do who really come to know him), she is frustrated by the way he runs about the universe instead of going home to Gallifrey to change things. (I have more Romana episodes on standby which I'm dying to watch, but I'm currently going through a batch of Seven, which is very interesting!)
I blamed the Doctor for taking Rose back to the moment that her father's death occured and then being shocked that she might want to intervene. Not that Rose did the right thing either, but it was an understandable emotional response. I really thought it was uncalled-for when the Doctor freaked out and called her stupid because she didn't understand the consequences of what she was doing as the Doctor would have, as soon as she saw just how bad things could get then she did do her best to put things right
as soon as she saw just how bad things could get then she did do her best to put things right She did? Could you be specific about what actions she took to make things right? I recall Pete in that heart braaking moment making the singular decision to walk back out into the street, and the Doctor offering himself to the Reapers, but really what could Rose have done but say she was sorry things went wrong?
I don't remember seeing this - but when did she try to put things right? All I saw was Pete saving the day in the end because nnothing else would've done.
And I o think that the Doctor had the right to call her stupid. She may have not known the consequences but I assume he hoped that she was smart enough to realize what might happen.
but I assume he hoped that she was smart enough to realize what might happen. I cant agree with this. Rose was ignorant not stupid. No "a" levels remember, not a sci-fi nerd, so there is nothing to suggest that Rose had awareness of pop science theory. This was only her second or third trip. I don't like the word stupid, but I can see him calling her stupid if, like Martha, she had shown any trepitation about traveling in the past or asked the kind of questions,that Martha asked, or had a university degree; however, Rose never seemed to have any interest in the science, theory, or the ethics of Time Travel, and until things blew up, the Doctor didn't seem keen on encouraging her to look at things from that POV.
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If the Time Lords were still around at this point, I can't imagine how much trouble the Doctor would have been in.
Good Lord lol. Whatever it would be, it would probably make Two's forced regeneration look like a love pat @.@
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But I do think he needed to be more careful!
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Should the Doctor have taken her to witness her father's death to begin with, and taken her back for do-over? There seems no yes or no, or right or wrong to the first part of this question. ( ... )
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And I loved Pete also in the episode. As for if Rose understood what her father did for her at the end? We'll probably never know canon-wise. But personally, probably a little but she probably won't accept it.
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I agree with you, except that I don't think the Doctor is too old for Rose. Yes, of course, he is super old. But I guess I see the whole relationship through the eyes of Romance. Some people are just right for each other, and things like age, experience, or relative power don't come into it, imho. (btw I am two years older than Mr. Liss; we met when I was 19.)
The only "equal" imho who could have been romantically involved with the Doctor was Romana, and I get the impression that even though she loves him (as all do who really come to know him), she is frustrated by the way he runs about the universe instead of going home to Gallifrey to change things. (I have more Romana episodes on standby which I'm dying to watch, but I'm currently going through a batch of Seven, which is very interesting!)
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And I o think that the Doctor had the right to call her stupid. She may have not known the consequences but I assume he hoped that she was smart enough to realize what might happen.
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