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Alpha, Tin-They’re All Dogs to Me

Dec 24, 2007 10:40

Hello, I'm new here, and thought I might be able to get some insight into things.

( Four, Harry, Ten, Mickey--What's Going On Here? Honey, what is this? )

harry, mickey, gender, hellos, discussion

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kickair8p December 24 2007, 17:39:45 UTC

Although I'll agree that Harry = Micky, I don't think the Doctor's behavior's due to gender. It's their attitude. Both Harry and Micky are (I'm about to say this wrong, but I'm posting on the run) complacent, conformist, in many ways conservative -- they like how things are and their place in them. They believe their way of life is the template for how everything should be. They are, to a certain extent, small-minded.

They Doctor despises that, and loves people who look past that, who take the risks, who expand their horizons. And you'll notice that the more Micky did that, the more the Doctor liked him. He liked Sarah Jane, Rose, Leela, and Adric right off because they almost immediately threw away their preconceptions and jumped into what was actually going on, trying to make things better when almost everyone else was sticking their head in the sand or trying to take advantage ( ... )

therru December 24 2007, 18:22:01 UTC

Thanks for saying what I was thinking. :)

minerva_fan December 24 2007, 18:23:32 UTC

Well stated. You make a lot of good points.

scarfman December 24 2007, 21:04:38 UTC

They Doctor ... loves people who look past that, who take the risks, who expand their horizons. And you'll notice that the more Micky did that, the more the Doctor liked him. He liked Sarah Jane, Rose, Leela, and Adric right off because they almost immediately threw away their preconceptions ... As for the gender split -- the writers usually make the guys the staid conservative types, and the girls the open-minded intellectual adventurers.
After reading the original post I was all set to nominate Peri as a female tin dog. This comment supports that notion, I think; like Mickey, she boarded the TARDIS with all sorts of complacency and preconception, and as she traveled - spurred on, no doubt, by the Doctor regenerating into one of his most disagreeable personalities ever, if not the most - she grew in both cosmopolitanism and in his esteem.

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darthhellokitty December 24 2007, 21:36:09 UTC

Ten isn't terribly nice to Jack when he shows up again in Utopia, either!

coridan December 24 2007, 22:47:20 UTC

Veering off topic, I think the Doctor reacted negatively to Jack because Jack was an absolutely unknown quantity to him - someone who was changed by timegoddess!rose into someone unkillable, a principle of physics more than fact. Jack scared the Doctor to death.

Further, Jack is a direct connection to Rose (indeed, he literally resonates with Rose's power) and a reminder of the entire period of time he was with Rose, in the early days, as well as of his prior self, the much less happy 9TH Doctor. Jack literally walks with the power of the Time Vortex coursing through him - as close to God as a Time Lord can possibly conceive.

There's a whole bunch of reasons 10 would wish to totally avoid Jack.

CB

biichan December 25 2007, 07:53:50 UTC

I've actually often thought the same thing myself, in terms of Harry=Mickey. (And I've noticed that the fangirls who like the one will often like the other as well.) But no, the Doctor isn't really like that with his other male companions. Well, a little bit with Ian, I suppose, since he does tend to purposely forget his name, but not to the degree he is with Harry or Mickey!

(Actually, when it comes to his relationship with Jamie during Patrick Troughton's run, the Doctor's downright sweet. Enough that even non-slashers will admit that Two and Jamie were practically married.)

I really do think it has to do with the girl thing too, with Harry just as much as with Mickey. Especially considering that for two people who are supposedly not in a relationship, Sarah and Harry spend a lot of time clinging to each other.

notfromvenus December 25 2007, 18:19:09 UTC

That's a good point about Harry & Mickey, and one I hadn't really thought about before. As others have said, he hasn't reacted that way to other male companions. (I don't think anyone's mentioned Adric, so I'll say he had almost a paternal relationship towards him. Warrior's Gate is practically an adventure with mom, dad, kid & the family dog!)

lullabee_lj March 19 2008, 00:01:25 UTC

In the EDAs, Eight has a rather different pecking order thing-- if you have seniority on his TARDIS, you're OMG HIS BFF, while he's just kind of friendly to newbies, regardless of gender. Eventually everyone grows on him, but he has a terrible habit of throwing around in-jokes in front of the new blood. But he's all but oblivious to gender, even though as soon as Fitz shows up, his TARDIS is and remains co-ed. And not only that, but Fitz is far more of a reason to feel a bit possessive of teh wimmenz than Harry is ( ... )