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Jun 30, 2011 23:28

For reasons totally unrelated to the recent flood, I've recently turned my mind to the issue of barge romantic relationships. [Crane sounds awkward just saying it.] Frankly, I'm confused as to why anyone could ever think that it ever would work out. Ignoring numerous public examples of messy arguments between wardens and inmates alike, I've never ( Read more... )

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doctor_j_crane June 30 2011, 13:41:37 UTC
The first challenger appears. We'll keep this public, I think. No offense intended, Sergeant, I just don't want to explain myself too many times.

The key difference is that I'm not talking about simple friendships. I'm talking about deeply emotional relationships, that if anything, increases the chances of violence on the barge. Two wardens are in a relationship and one gets attacked. Their partner accordingly murders the inmate who performed the attack. The warden populous naturally does nothing. Thus, the institution of warden romantic relationships is a threat to inmates well being and the justice system of the barge.

The inherent problem regarding the second part of your argument is that the transient, unstable nature of these relationships means that by rights, anyone taking part in such a relationship should remain at a distance. But do they? Somehow I doubt that they would. Wardens don't seem to think that far ahead.

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doctor_j_crane June 30 2011, 13:59:15 UTC
I would agree with you, save for the fact that the other wardens aren't operating at the same standard as you are. Most of them are selfish, pretty and cruel. The right thing isn't relevant to what they do.

It's mainly these issues of power relations that are concerning. We'll ignore the issue of warden and inmate relationships, which is clearly an abuse of power whenever it occurs. Provided we follow the assumption that a warden's primary duty is to their inmate, which our one-on-one situation does suggest, the moment that you start a relationship with another warden and value someone equally to your inmate you're failing your duty as a warden.

It is simply to the real world, I'll agree with that. But it's more extreme and it affects others more than any wardens care to admit.

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Private; doctor_j_crane June 30 2011, 13:56:57 UTC
I don't ever want to talk about it again. But yes. Thankfully nothing on that list occurred.

I suppose the same argument is equally valid in terms of friendship. But frankly, this seems more likely to draw wardens into an argument where they're clearly wrong.

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Private; doctor_j_crane June 30 2011, 14:29:27 UTC
That's what I'm most concerned about. It can only serve to make the wardens even more unstable than they already are. Not to mention that they'll be sensitive about it as well. [Thus, a good place to troll.]

Are you soul-mate searching in general? [Part trolling, part curious.]

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thegooddrjones June 30 2011, 14:35:03 UTC
Or, you could make plans to not have to pick one world over another, because asking someone to do that is not fair, which not that it's any of your business, but we have.

If my inmate has a problem with it, then she can address me with it. As for everything else, Crane, just troll harder.

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Crane: attempting to make trolling into a legitimate barge sport. doctor_j_crane June 30 2011, 14:38:49 UTC
Wardens should know better than to get into that situation in the first place. They shouldn't have to choose one over the other because the inmate should always be the first choice. Isn't that why you're here?

Have you ever asked your inmate if she has a problem with it?

[Pause] And could you clarify what you mean by 'troll'?

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...He is the top contender for the gold! thegooddrjones June 30 2011, 14:51:05 UTC
Most people don't chose the times and places where they fall in love, Crane. I know I didn't.

Trolling: it's when you make a post to just make people upset, to cause problems and to get attention for yourself. In other words pretty much every post you make.

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He trains weekly, fuelled by endless bitterness. :P doctor_j_crane June 30 2011, 14:57:46 UTC
How touching. But you're a prison guard. This isn't some desk job. You have responsibilities to all of us to do the right thing. I obviously don't particularly care about your relationship one way or another. But I do care about the impact such things have on the barge and the fact that you use your feelings as a justification for something that could cause actual harm to other people.

Frankly, I think I've had enough attention on the barge to last me a life time. As for the making people upset and causing problems, well. You can't improve the system unless someone gives you feedback. [Pause.] And it's not like there's much else to do around here.

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[ Private | Video ] doctor_j_crane June 30 2011, 15:09:21 UTC
It is something that inevitably happens to people in just about any circumstance. What's frustrating is the way it seems to be accepted by most of the wardens. Just another day on the barge.

Were you hit by the flood?

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[ Private | Video ] - Oooh! I knew I missed one when firefox ate my old tags. Thanks bb. <3 doctor_j_crane July 1 2011, 01:12:31 UTC
Yes, I was. It's one of the ones that should never be spoken of again.

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19centconstable June 30 2011, 16:06:22 UTC
But people do forge relationships in war: nurses, and women in the towns where soldiers are stationed and such. And sometimes one or the other is killed, certainly, but a person could die at any time, from anything.

And this is all just assuming that someone is only settling for the best of what's here, but what if they aren't? What if by not acting they'd then be settling for anybody else they meet after, while a part of their heart still resides here?

And I don't see how any of it could be a disservice to anybody somebody was wardening at all, really. It's quite possible to care quite a lot about more than one person at a time.

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doctor_j_crane July 1 2011, 01:11:08 UTC
[Crane's ignoring the first two points, because he knows they're right. Time to focus on the third!]

It harms the wardens inmate. Our one-on-one system suggests that a warden primary responsibility, focus and energy should be dedicated to their inmate. The Admiral doesn't give people rewards for nothing. As soon as you bring a relationship into the question, the warden has other priorities that were never in their job description.

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19centconstable July 1 2011, 01:23:37 UTC
But not dedicated to their inmate romantically.

And you could say that about any job, but people manage to be married and hold down jobs all the time.

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doctor_j_crane July 2 2011, 10:46:16 UTC
Of course not.

They don't hold down a job that's like the barge where you're always on duty. The two can't be compared.

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