Supernatural Surfacing

[dmarley]

Um. Hello. Yes.

So. It's been approximately 10 days since I started watching Supernatural. Watched the latest aired episode last night. I think even for me that's a record for mainlining a series.

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[miafeliz]

Yep... that's a pretty good sum up of the show. It's also nice to read an intelligent discussion of it. I really have got to get off the SPN LJ communities, or at least hide them from my friend's list. I've never seen a more immature bunch of women in fandom. Scary thing is, I think some are older than us too.

I have been watching a year and I pretty much mainlined the first three seasons, watched what I could of the fourth online till I got up to the current run.

I'm actually less in love with it this season. I'm getting bored with the whole story arc and feel it needs to end. If Sam occupies Lucifer and Dean, Michael, I think I'll really be done. I think that's where they're going but I don't buy it.

[dmarley]

Yeah, I think I've concluded that if I'm going to enjoy this show, I need to stay far, far away from the fandom. :)

I agree, I think they're building up to the whole Vessel Destiny thing. If nothing else, there's all that heavy-duty denial from both Sam and Dean. But because I'm new I'm still feeling optimistic that it will somehow subvert itself. At least I hope so.

I think if I'd been watching this season week by week I would be a lot less interested, but it's different when I get to find out What Happens Next in five seconds rather than seven days. Although, if I'd known they were wrapping up a mega-arc in just eight episodes, I would totally have held off watching, but once I started I couldn't stop...:)

[xtricks]

Yeah, I'm so frustrated by SPN, because I can't watch too much of it without getting fed up with the various flavors of fail but there's *so* much that I love about it -- the music choices, the road trip tropes, the construction of a complete supernatural world that develops over time and the willingness to include both demons (evil) and angles (theoretically good, though, as usual, true supernatural good doesn't appear). I like Dean, both in his asshole-ish behaviors and his unrelenting courage and determination to do right and I like the hints of Sam's flaws we see even in series 1.

[dmarley]

Dean makes Ianto look well-adjusted and sane. For all that Dean can be a world-class asshole, it tore me up every time it was brought out just how little he thought he was worth. I have no idea how he gets out of bed in the morning.

There's so much the show has done well. If they'd just quit with the fail, I could wholeheartedly get on board with it instead of just liking a lot of it.

[love_jackianto]

I hope you don't mind me butting in. I figured since you used to be in the Dus South fandom I'd check out your journal and see what other fandoms we have in common.

'I also adore Castiel.* For that reason alone, I'm bracing myself for the end of the season, because if I like him I'm going to preemptively assume that he's going to die. I think it'll just be easier that way.'Same here. The writers couldn't really find much for him to do in the apocalypse storyline other than Angel of exposition and/or comic relief, so I have serous doubts about them keeping him around when the show goes back to basics (that's the term Kripke and the writers keep using) in season six, even though he is a popular character. Going back to basics could either mean A. they do away with the overreaching mytharcs and Sam and Deam just hunt monsters every week and/or B. the show goes back to being about just Sam and Dean like it was the first three seasons. Considering that they've killed off pretty much every recurring character that was involved in the Angel

[dmarley]

Icon! :) Also, you are not butting in at all. That's what public entries are for. :)

I agree with you about Cas. If they tie up the Apocalypse storyline at the end of the season, then, as much as I adore him, there's not going to be much of a dramatic reason for him to stick around. I also agree that the show seems to be trending to A and B. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but there's not really a Cas-shaped role needing to be filled. It's possible that they could keep him around if he survives and still can't return to Heaven, but they'd have to carve out a completely new niche just for Cas and I'm not sure that would work.

[love_jackianto]

'Icon! :)'
Thanks. Feel free to snag it if you want.

'If they tie up the Apocalypse storyline at the end of the season, then, as much as I adore him, there's not going to be much of a dramatic reason for him to stick around.'
I'm not really sure how they're going to tie up all those loose ends, but Kripke said that the Apocalypse will end by the end of season five; although considering he also said angels would never appear on the show I'm taking that with a gain of salt.

'It's possible that they could keep him around if he survives and still can't return to Heaven, but they'd have to carve out a completely new niche just for Cas and I'm not sure that would work.'
That's true. Since has borrowed so much from Good Omens and American Gods (that was the basic plot of Hammer of Gods) they could use the plot of Stardust; instead of trying to find a fallen star they try to find Cas' fallen grace.

[dmarley]

I admit, I'm massively projecting the end of Children of Earth onto the end of season five. I know Kripke's leaving and I just have this fear that he's going to do the same thing that RTD did and kill off a popular character. Plus, in Castiel's case there are some dramatic reasons that it would be difficult for him to hang around. Although finding his fallen grace would be awesome. It's something he could do by himself, so he wouldn't have to be in every episode, he could just show up now and then. Argh! I'm making myself hope! ;)