I know that the media tend to suggest that people are becoming disillusioned with Trump. But overall, that really does not appear to be the case (unfortunately).
My fear is that as with 2016, Democrats will believe that "everyone" knows how bad Trump is, so that he has no chance of reelection, and that they will then stay home, meaning he will be reelected.
And I'm particularly concerned, given the crowded Democratic primary. Right now, supporters of each of the candidates are busy trashing the other 20 or so in the race. My fear is that whoever wins the nomination, Democrats will have heard so much negative talk about them that they won't be enthusiastic. And we need Democratic enthusiasm if we are to get rid of Trump.
A little good news -- but we need to stay worrieddevifemmeAugust 22 2019, 15:29:07 UTC
I thought the withdrawal of Washington's Gov. Jay Inslee -- which he announced last night on Rachel's MSNBC show -- was a good indication that the Dems will succeed in reducing their field early enough to unite to beat Trumpsky.
I particularly like the prompt and gracious responses by many of the remaining candidates. They effectively embraced Inslee's focus on fighting global warming. The next Dem debates in two weeks should further narrow the field.
But, fuck yes, Free -- stay worried: destroying Trump is gonna be tough. But maybe the Danes whom he affronted this week will come replace Putin & Co. in a little helpful election-meddling
Me, I'm hoping for a widely accepted Biden/Harris ticket when "the music stops..."
I wouldn't count on the GOP going out of power. Not when such trouble has been taken to disenfranchise voters and gerrymander the hell out of the districts.
Plus, nearly everyone I know who liked Trump in 2016 is 110% behind him for 2020.
Don't underestimate the number of fascist white supremacists who vote.
And all the people who will vote for him just for getting abortion bans passed through his supreme court. Of course, they are fascists too, but they hate it when you call them that.
Re: Trumpsky's batshit supportersjaysons_ladyAugust 25 2019, 03:14:06 UTC
Well, whether a Dem nominee can defeat Trump is going to depend on if the DNC/DCCC pulls the same self defeating shenanigans they did last time. If the corporate dems are successful in eliminating any actual progressive candidate, a lot of people are going to just stay home or vote third party. The Coporate Dems do not really care if they lose, as long as they are siding with their billionaire/millionaire big donors.
We'll just have to wait and see. My prediction is that things are going to get a lot worse before they start getting better.
I admit that I'm opposed to Bernie...devifemmeAugust 25 2019, 12:55:25 UTC
I started a reply to your comment here, Susan, but I was a little too sleepy, I guess -- anyway, I seem to have lost the incomplete piece.
Actually, I hope it didn't reach you in that confused state -- I was rethinking the awful 2016 campaign.
You mentioned DNC and big donors fumbling in their 2016 resistance to Bernie -- and you hope that wouldn't be repeated in 2020 with whichever progressive leader might emerge from the current bunch.
In that regard, you were probably thinking of Biden as "anti-progressive" -- but, if he were to link up with a progressive running mate (I'm thinking of Harris or Warren), I'd think his acceptability to the Dem left would be enhanced.
That is, Biden's evident "electability" (against Trumpsky) combined with a 'fresh face" with progressive leanings would be a good outcome.
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I know that the media tend to suggest that people are becoming disillusioned with Trump. But overall, that really does not appear to be the case (unfortunately).
My fear is that as with 2016, Democrats will believe that "everyone" knows how bad Trump is, so that he has no chance of reelection, and that they will then stay home, meaning he will be reelected.
And I'm particularly concerned, given the crowded Democratic primary. Right now, supporters of each of the candidates are busy trashing the other 20 or so in the race. My fear is that whoever wins the nomination, Democrats will have heard so much negative talk about them that they won't be enthusiastic. And we need Democratic enthusiasm if we are to get rid of Trump.
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I particularly like the prompt and gracious responses by many of the remaining candidates. They effectively embraced Inslee's focus on fighting global warming. The next Dem debates in two weeks should further narrow the field.
But, fuck yes, Free -- stay worried: destroying Trump is gonna be tough. But maybe the Danes whom he affronted this week will come replace Putin & Co. in a little helpful election-meddling
Me, I'm hoping for a widely accepted Biden/Harris ticket when "the music stops..."
Hugs, J
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Plus, nearly everyone I know who liked Trump in 2016 is 110% behind him for 2020.
Don't underestimate the number of fascist white supremacists who vote.
And all the people who will vote for him just for getting abortion bans passed through his supreme court. Of course, they are fascists too, but they hate it when you call them that.
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You note, Susan, the erstwhile incumbent has a lot of fascist support out there -- and they don't give a damn how much damage he does.
And, showing my age, I recall the cornpone philosopher Will Rogers once said: "I don't belong to any organized political party. I'm a Democrat."
But the Inslee/Hickenlooper departures signal that the Dems ARE getting organized in plenty of time to unify against the batshit Trump.
The next round of debates in a couple of weeks will be vital...
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We'll just have to wait and see. My prediction is that things are going to get a lot worse before they start getting better.
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Actually, I hope it didn't reach you in that confused state -- I was rethinking the awful 2016 campaign.
You mentioned DNC and big donors fumbling in their 2016 resistance to Bernie -- and you hope that wouldn't be repeated in 2020 with whichever progressive leader might emerge from the current bunch.
In that regard, you were probably thinking of Biden as "anti-progressive" -- but, if he were to link up with a progressive running mate (I'm thinking of Harris or Warren), I'd think his acceptability to the Dem left would be enhanced.
That is, Biden's evident "electability" (against Trumpsky) combined with a 'fresh face" with progressive leanings would be a good outcome.
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