Tagging crossovers?

[catechism]

Hi, everyone! I am so pleased to have a community in which to flail incomprehensibly about tagging fic. You have no idea. (Okay, some of you do. Whatever.) Also, I know our community about tagging should probably have some tags. I am working on it! (There are some, but they are probably lacking in useful information

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[minervacat]

when I tag crossovers, I tag "fandom1 fandom2 crossovers (pairing or character)". I have a tag specifically for crossovers, but aside from using the occasional prefixed period as an action indicator, I don't use punctuation in my tags so other than the two fandoms and the "crossovers" tag, I don't have any way to note them.

I tag fandoms in order of importance in the crossover, if I can determine it; if it's someone from Homicide: Life On The Street in the Supernatural universe, Supernatural comes first and Homicide second. Otherwise, alphabetical.

I wouldn't bother tagging fandom/fandom if only because you can always use tag intersections. Isn't that essentially the same viewing functionality that you would get from a fandom/fandom tag, or am I missing something?

[catechism]

Man, punctuation in my tags is either the best or worst thing ever. Because del.icio.us ignores it! So I can tag something *&&^*^%%$blah, and running /tag/blah will still find my stuff! AWESOME. But it has made me a little crazy? I am now thinking perhaps my del.icio.us is too arcane. But, man, bundling is so amazingly easy now

[minervacat]

I feel clicking on one of those should show you the damn intersection, not show you the new tag.

If you click the tag, it shows you that tag. But if you click the +, it shows you the intersection. Is this a secret piece of delicious knowledge I should have shared with people earlier? I assumed everybody knew that. :|

I've also been able to make delicious give me tag intersections for more than two tags, as well; for example: http://del.icio.us/minervacat/bandslash%2Bcrossovers%2Bquantummirror

But I don't know how that would work on something that would, presumably, give more results that bandslash+crossovers+quantummirror, which obviously is a VERY SMALL subsection of fic.

[catechism]

!!!!

Interesting. I guess I have never just clicked the + because it's such a small target. (Or maybe I just forgot.) Doing it that way will, in fact, give me an intersection of more than two tags, so. It's weird that it wouldn't do it when I was just typing them in. I wonder if that's an instance of my punctuation fucking things up? Since the character codes show up in the URL bar instead of the actual punctuation. Hrm.

... or, after more testing, maybe I'm just an idiot who can't type. Who knows! I tried the intersection I'd tried before, using the 'related tags' section to drill down to what I wanted, and then I tried it manually, and they both worked. So. User error, I guess.

[murklins]

See, I feel the hyphen indicates the presence of a crossover.
That is my favourite sentence today!

And yeah, I just do "crossover fandom1 fandom2" and I totally don't care about tag order (yet! until I have a script to fix it so I am not looking at modifying 4000 links manually). But I guess alphabetical might be nice.

Although, "crossover" is one of those tags you could get rid of if you did tag as fandom1/fandom2 because then you could bundle those tags and in the new del, click the "Crossovers" bundle to union them. Wait, I may be complicating the issue.

[catechism]

You're right, that is an excellent sentence!

until I have a script to fix it...

I just went ahead and fixed mine, since I simplified the matter by deleted everything that wasn't fic. So I only had to do about 250 of them, which was not the most terrible thing ever. Although I didn't deal with crossovers at all when I did that. Hmmmm. I like Min's idea about importance, but I don't know how to figure it out. Is Character X in Y World a story about Character X's fandom, or about Y world? I feel that method would generate way too much angst for me.

Also, I am not sure what you are talking about with new del. So, wait, the name of a bundle is now a clickable union of all tags in that bundle? INTERESTING. I'm still not sure I would get rid of the crossover tag, though, but maybe? I like being able to tell at a quick glance at the tags what something is.

[catechism]

Yeah, I think you're right about adding in a fandom/fandom tag being overkill. Thank god. I was not relishing having to go back and add them in. I have more important tagging to do!

Although I probably will go back and make them be in alphabetical order. I like minervacat's idea of order of importance, in theory, but I think it would cause me too much teeth-gnashing in practice. Is a story about a character from X fandom suddenly in Y world about X fandom, or Y fandom? I don't know! Probably it would depend on the POV character, maybe, but what if it switches? Best to stick to something less subjective, I think

[trascendenza]

I currently do fandom1 fandom2 (in whatever order I remember when I'm typing the tags, but in the title or any other place I'll generally do it alpha) crossover character/character (alpha). I'm considering eliminating the crossover tag and doing a bundle instead for the new release, but haven't completely decided. I can't see the usefulness for fandom/fandom unless that crossover has upwards of one link, because otherwise tag intersections seem the simplest to me. And I always care about order! I'm sort of an alpha maniac. I can't stand doing things by order of importance or whatever, like the fandom featured more prominently, because I can't always tell and I need all my tags to adhere to a singular system whenever possible. I mean, *maybe* I could do by order of importance primarily and then alpha secondarily if both crossovers appear equally, but, ummmmmm, I don't want to. I'm going to use murklins' script to enact an ordering hegemony on my system where the tags are ordered by bundle and then alpha within that order if more than

[catechism]

Yeah, I think I'm with you. I can't always tell which fandom is more important, either, so it's probably best to stick with an objective system. Alphabetical it is, then! Which means I will probably need to reorder some tags tonight. Hooray! Fortunately, I don't think I have all that many crossovers tagged right now, so that's good.

Then, probably it should always be:
(fandom1) (fandom2) [character.from.fandom1] [character.from.fandom2] ... and then? the pairing in alpha order, or still in fandom1/fandom2 order? This is the tricky part!

I never thought about making the crossover pairing tags look different.This is funny to me because I got that idea from you, making RPF pairings looks different. They are really their own little categories, so. Maybe they WOULD show up in the related tags section, but I thought if people wanted to browse bundles, this would be helpful. Because, OBVIOUSLY, the presence of a hyphen indicates a crossover

[trascendenza]

Hmmmm. I always prefer pairings in alpha order. Because other than the one instance where the pairing name is right next to the fandom tags, you're not going to see the fandom order anyway?

Hee! Cross-pollination of ideas. Now I'm having thoughts about doing a bundle for crossover pairings, because it really isn't that helpful to mix them in with all the other pairings.

TOTALLY OBVIOUSLY.

(AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Seriously. I just can't over how ridonk and amazing our tagging enabling is. Will this ever stop being hilarious? I THINK NOT.)

[simons_flower]

Tag for fandom/fandom no, I list fandoms separately
Do I care about order no
Do I care only about the order of the tags, or also of the order of the names IN the tags? er, neither? The order of names, for me, is what I commonly know the ship by or what sounds right to my ear.