15 HP Chamber of Secrets

Jun 21, 2019 20:29


Ch15 Aragog

>”‘We’re taking no more chances,’ Madam Pomfrey told them severely through a crack in the hospital door. ‘No, I’m sorry, there’s every chance the attacker might come back to finish these people off …’”So what, if I’m bleeding out Pomfrey will still refuse to let me in? Can’t you place petrified victims in more secure location and open ( Read more... )

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smirkingcat June 21 2019, 20:43:32 UTC
but then again Harry isn't the brain of this group.
nailed it!

Does that mean that pre-Hagrid Forbidden Forest was this lush, full of animals paradise?
considering that huge spider colonies DO change their environment once they move in, yes! most likely just going from the size of the things, those spiders would eat unicorns, thestrals and lone hiking/walking around centaurs, with the added bonus of their super strong amazing venom even werewolfs must be at risk- at this; given their sheer number we will never know what creatures simply died out because of hagrid wanting to have a more excotic pet

So in other words Aragog is only little smaller than the spiders who carried our heroic duo.
its the small details she does get wrong not just from one book to another, but from one chapter to another that annoyed me so as a child... where were her editors with at leas a bit of note taking on what they were reading?

Not very smart one, but still hers.those rarities must be appreciated as found ( ... )

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chantaldormand June 22 2019, 13:14:52 UTC
//where were her editors with at leas a bit of note taking on what they were reading? //
I guess they were working under assumption that since HP books are for children, you can let author get away with more BS. After all they are just stupid kids!.
Sadly, some publishers work like this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Heh, I suppose you can thank sunnyskywalker for this. If it weren't for last few post Sunny made, I probably wouldn't get out of my slump :P

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jana_ch June 22 2019, 21:42:42 UTC
I don’t object to Ron saying “It’s our car” even though the car is now free of the family. Ron will always think of the Ford Anglia as “our [family’s] car”. I grew up in a small town, and when my dad traded in our old car for a new one, I can guarantee that any time we saw our former car being driven by its new owner, we would say, “There’s our car!”

Actually, we probably called it by name. My family always named our cars. I still do. My latest is a Mini Cooper named Lord Tolloller. I get to call him Thomas; everyone else has to address him as “M’lord.”

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chantaldormand June 24 2019, 16:24:59 UTC
Oh, my family did that too. We called our Daewoo Lanos "Leon the professional" =)
It was so odd getting used to car dad bought after Leon almost fell apart.

Normally I wouldn't object to Ron calling Ford Anglia "Our car", but considering that a) Ron stole it from his parents for very stupid reasons and b) Weasleys pretty much abandoned it after chapter 5, it rubs me in wrong way.

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gingerbred June 23 2019, 10:08:29 UTC
Oh I always look forward to these! Thanks for posting. 😊

> Snape swept past Harry, making no comment about Hermione’s empty seat and cauldron” That dastardly Snape! Daring to ignore our hero’s woe!

Also, still further proof that Harry is an idiot. Any comment he could or would have made would *not* have made Harry happy. lol

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chantaldormand June 24 2019, 16:36:18 UTC
No problem, I always enjoy discussions in this community.
BTW, thanks for shout out, this community could use more active users =)

It would also mean that Snape was giving Hermione special treatment, since I don't recall him making any comments about other victims.
Even so I souldn't exactly say that he is idiot, he is just more self-centred than average three year old. Not that it's much of improvement =P

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gingerbred June 24 2019, 22:56:21 UTC
Glad to. It's well deserved ( ... )

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sunnyskywalker July 23 2019, 01:44:52 UTC
I'm imagining the next Potions class being escorted to the dungeon... and Snape isn't there, because he's escorting Harry's class to Herbology. Good job, teachers!

If Lucius Malfoy had been halfway competent, he would have convinced the rest of the Board of Governors to add a second teacher for each of the core subjects. It would legitimately improve both education and safety, and probably keep the teachers from just dropping dead of exhaustion one day. Then Lucius would have a solid claim to being an effective educational reformer, which is probably a lot cheaper than huge donations to St. Mungo's. And if the teachers having time to think straight for once leads them to question some of Dumbledore's decisions, well, that's fair enough, and long overdue. And it would only be responsible for them to make sure students aren't being as gullible as the sleep-deprived teachers had been. Lucius could have undermined Dumbledore's power base and made himself look good without doing anything wrong or controversial. Because it's important to ( ... )

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aikaterini June 25 2019, 17:44:15 UTC
/they hastily fed him treacle fudge from a tin on the mantelpiece, which glued his teeth together ( ... )

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gingerbred July 25 2019, 21:28:36 UTC
> And he's saying all this to a boy who was forced to live in a cupboard for ten years and said boy has no reaction to this, not even thinking that this was a really, really dumb idea?

Ramen! Well observed.

And while I thoroughly enjoy Hagrid as a character, I agree completely with everything you said about him. Spot on. (The flip side of the coin in favour of Hagrid for me were always the pro-Sirius statements about how Sirius was the only loving family Harry had ever known. There I have much the same reaction as I do to the claims Hagrid was the only 'non-jerk'. 'Uh, what???' Hagrid may be simple, but he was definitely there for Harry (more so than Sirius) and loved him.) It's like Harry praises all the wrong things while overlooking a lot of the good, and many readers take that view as well. (What Hagrid did to Dudley was way out of line. He should have been done for tampering with a Muggle.)

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sunnyskywalker July 23 2019, 01:53:38 UTC
The horrific ecological damage Hagrid caused will never stop bothering me. No wonder the centaurs don't like outsiders. Not to mention, Acromantulae are supposedly tropical spiders. Are they miserable in Scotland? Are they destroying the forest and not even happy? Maybe they would be willing to move to Borneo, if the wizarding nation(s)* of Borneo has some an expedited spider-citizenship program for the foreign-born grandchildren of Bornean spiders.

*Since wizarding political boundaries probably don't always match Muggle ones, who knows how many wizarding governments Borneo has.

I wonder if the kids will ever realize, "Wait, getting caught with a Class XXXXX creature in the castle is what got Hagrid expelled and made a second-class citizen for life--and he wanted us to take his illegal baby dragon into the castle and risk the same fate?"

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chantaldormand July 23 2019, 15:11:00 UTC
Pff I wouldn’t be surprised if Wizarding Borneo was some kind of communist collective :P
Then again who says that Borneo is signatory of SoS? For all we know Asian and African nations could have do one finger salute and ignore European insane ideas :P
Thus border lines could match or there is no magical government and only many clans/tribes/however else they organized themselves, that control small areas.
/I wonder if the kids will ever realize, "Wait, getting caught with a Class XXXXX creature in the castle is what got Hagrid expelled and made a second-class citizen for life--and he wanted us to take his illegal baby dragon into the castle and risk the same fate?"/
Add “and then he tried to feed us to another of his pets” :P

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sunnyskywalker July 25 2019, 04:39:35 UTC
I suspect that a lot of less-industrialized societies in the Potterverse didn't sign or just ignore the SoS. And get away with it, because as long as outsiders can brush off any oddness as "some kind of local religious practice," the other wizards figure they have bigger things to worry about. Like those damn kinds and their flying motorbikes. Wizarding political entities can't always entirely match ours, or we wouldn't hear about Abyssinia, unless for some reason they adopted Muggle boundaries but kept the older name. (Whether Ireland is one wizarding country united with Britain for all purposes or just Quidditch, who knows ( ... )

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chantaldormand July 28 2019, 16:26:57 UTC
Ooohhhh, now I'm imagining an AU story where Tom recruited Hagrid so he would provide his army with trained magical beasts. Imagine, DEs ridding into final battle on flying acromantulas :D

I never saw anyone proposing such theory, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of Hagrid's behaviour steamed out of envy and bitterness.

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