Could it be in case a guest drops by, like... oh, I don't know... SNAPE? (In Church Lady voice.)
...it was “brave” of Harry and Hermione not to run for a teacher when their friend was dragged into a tree by a large animal. Even if it plays right into his seemingly nefarious plans for them it was the right choice.
Riiight. Note that Voldemort will make use of that impulse later. Black would no doubt approve.
This is courage in its purest, least diluted form. And Slytherins can’t ever have it because even in their most angry moments they’d probably still be afraid of something.
Like fear is a bad thing instead of a natural response to danger. Like using wiles or brains or determination to counter fear is a bad thing.
Harry hears a voice in his head telling him to kill Sirius. Years ago I read a theory about how the voice in Harry’s head directing him to do something in GoF was Ginny’s because she was his true love. So now every time Harry has one of these “voice in the head” moments
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Like fear is a bad thing instead of a natural response to danger. Like using wiles or brains or determination to counter fear is a bad thing.
I've always loved that line from the Wizard of Oz where the Wizard says the Lion thinks that simply because he runs away from danger, he has no courage. He's confusing courage with wisdom.
Huh?
I didn't get it either. But it was such a bizarre idea that I started randomly planting Ginny in Harry's head.
Personally, I'm shocked everybody isn't becoming an animagus. It's one of the first things I'd want to learn if I were a wizard.
Yeah, I know. Rowling threw it in because it was 'cool' or whatever, but really, time travel trumps everything. If I was a super hero - not that I spend much time thinking about such things, mind! - I'd want time travel as my super-power. Because someone with time travel will always reign supreme. I cite as proof "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure".
Once Rowling introduced time travel the whole series was blown. Although she did half-heartedly try to plug up the hole, I think Hermione mentions in HBP how all the Ministry time turners were destroyed? Of course we'll conveniently turn a blind eye to the time turners stashed away by the Malfoys or all the other dark wizards ...
Argh indeed.
Lupin hugs Sirius like a brother.
Wait... this is before he's even heard his explanation? Whoa.
Did Lupin know the truth by then? Seeing Pettigrew's name on the map or something? Otherwise yeah, that's a big boo-boo that I never saw before!
Yes, he saw Peter's name on the map, that was why he came in the first place, not because the kids were struggling with a homicidal tree or to protect them from Sirius. But he still hasn't figured out the switch. All he knows is that something in the official version is wrong, but as far as he knows at this moment Sirius was still the Potters' Secret Keeper.
The book mentions that the sun is just setting bellow the horizon as the chapter begins. Since it is the full moon, when the moon is in opposition to the sun relative to the earth, this should be when the moon is beginning to appear on the opposite horizon. At least it would have had Hogwarts been on an open plain. Mountains may create some delay. BTW according to this detailed timeline it is now around 9:30. They have Remus transforming at almost 11:00. This looks way too late. Supposedly cloud cover is to account for the extra delay but the theory of werewolf transformation in the Potterverse becomes rather convoluted. It seems they transform when the full moon is generally visible in their local area, regardless of whether they themselves are exposed to moonlight (or Remus wouldn't transform in a closed room with curtains on the windows).
Hermione, especially, just spent the whole book being singularly insensitive to peoples’ dead pets as if she just didn’t get the problem. Suddenly she’s transfixed with horror at the idea and
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Remus's forgetting his potion is just going to get more hilarious as the night goes on. I mean...as you say, what was the man thinking? I can sympathize with JKR trying to give him a shock that drives it out of his head, but once you know that he's forgotten--particularly since Snape will show up and remind him right away--you just start thinking he's an idiot.
I do wonder with MWPP left those places off the map. Maybe they ran out of room on the parchment. Or they didn't want anybody to know Remus was in the Shack in case the map was discovered? Or maybe they were being helpful for plot purposes.
Harry raises his wand to kill Sirius. And what was he going to do with the wand? Cast a Jelly-leg jinx? Oh, maybe use Wingardium Leviosa and then drop him on the floor or bash his head into a wall?
That is kind of hilarious. Put his eye out, I guess.
Harry raises his wand to kill Sirius. And what was he going to do with the wand? Cast a Jelly-leg jinx? Oh, maybe use Wingardium Leviosa and then drop him on the floor or bash his head into a wall?
That is kind of hilarious. Put his eye out, I guess.
Nah, shove it up his nose. It worked for Harry before!
Meh. I think the shack was just an abandoned building on the outskirts of the village that Albus acquired for the purpose and had the tunnel to it built. It was probably already the local "haunted house", and he just capitilzed on the reputation. I expect the furn was already there, and probably so rickety that no one else wanted it.
Well, you never hear about the *shack* having been built for the purpose of housing a werewolf (pretty good trick of managing to build a new house and have it *immediately* be rumored to be haunted).
Lupin arrives to save the day! And I’m sure he hasn’t forgotten anything important…
By this time Severus is also on his way, several minutes behind Remus. Severus saw Remus running down the passageway out of sight. Since Remus saw Peter last at the willow and Severus saw Remus already in the tunnel the time gap between seeing the map and arriving at the Shack should be greater in Severus' case. (IOW when Remus enters the room Severus should be still in the castle, on his way to the doors or something.)
Lupin expelliariumses everybody’s wand. So now he’s the master of everybody’s wand. Or just the one Sirius was using? Or just the ones where the people who owned them were holding them. Something like that.Unless Remus had his fingers crossed too. (Sirius was no longer holding a wand. Harry held his, Hermione the two others. Hermione totally is the master of Ron's wand
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Harry feels like a failure because Sirius will be returned to the dementors rather than already be dead at his hand. So Harry regrets not giving Sirius a quick death? Regrets not being able to be the one responsible directly for Sirius' death? (That's OK, Harry will end up being at least partially responsible for Sirius' death 2 years from now.)Heh. Not that Harry will dwell on that overmuch. It's SNAPE'S fault Sirius died! Snape's
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The isolation of Remus during the first war is a pretty interesting unanswered question, isn't it? Did they just think it was him because he was the werewolf? Maybe they suspected his wishy-washiness in ways they didn't Peter's obvious bad qualities?
Peter may have manipulated that isolation. He needed James to trust him so when Dumbledore said the spy was someone close to the Potters he wouldn't be the one suspected so he may have done something to make Remus look suspicious.
One wonders how aware the Potters were that the spy was supposed to be one of *their* circle. Up to DHs one assumed that Albus told them so, but now it would be perfectly in keeping for him to have kept that to himself. They knew there was a spy, because i gather everyone in the Order knew that, but whether they knew it was supposed to be one of *their* friends I'm not so sure.
---“Hermione, especially, just spent the whole book being singularly insensitive to peoples’ dead pets as if she just didn’t get the problem. Suddenly she’s transfixed with horror at the idea and choking at someone daring to put down a wild animal
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OMG, the wand thing drives me crazy and I've wondered the same thing: why not just make the Elder Wand unique in that way? It would solve so many problems and make perfect sense. As it is we don't even see anything about it that's unique so that would be one thing to set it apart.
Look how the choice between serious tortured hero and funny, unsentimental, also-hero messed up the original Star Wars Trilogy!
I always thought that early Hermione was a JKR self-insert as she actually was --
Rowling has said pretty much exactly that on her web site here:
I have often said that Hermione is a bit like me when I was younger. I think I was seen by other people as a right little know-it-all, but I hope that it is clear that underneath Hermione's swottiness there is a lot of insecurity and a great fear of failure (as shown by her Boggart in 'Prisoner of Azkaban').
But then, yes, Hermione got a makeover and became pretty/beautiful for Ron, while Harry got the pretty belle of Hogwarts who materialised out of the ether in book 6.
For the thousandth time, why didn’t JKR say that the Elder Wand OF POWER had unique properties?Darn, you are so, SO right! Some of the most colossal failures of the last book would have been extinguished by just a few lines. Even though Rowling didn't have a clue about the Hallows until she sat down to write book 7 she could still have made it clear that the Elder Wand operated on wand 'rules' completely distinct from
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---"Even though Rowling didn't have a clue about the Hallows until she sat down to write book 7 "
How DARE you?? The fact that you are 100% right, doesn't give you the right to give her your cheek! Siriusly, how desperate for ideas must she have been, how completely her original plot must have fallen apart, how much must her ego have been engorged by praise, that she thought the DH was the best way to finish the series?
---"She just went ahead and contradicted all of her earlier books. "
Mutter mutter - you can be your own secret keeper, so what was the point of everything - mutter mutter.
Impossible. He ended up being awarded with Hermione, after all. What a gal! :-)
Sirius disarms Harry and Hermione. So he’s the master of their wands now, right? *rolls eyes*
Aw, hell, you beat me to it. I was going to write a paragraph of parody at how the kids lost the mastery of their wands, and, after Lupin "threw each back to its owner", they never worked nearly as well EVER AGAIN, because Lupin was still their master. Just like it was for Harry with Hermione's wand in DH. And the Elder Wand with Riddle, after he took it from Dumbledore's tomb. Riiight. But you were way ahead of me.
Just imagine if the books were rewritten - edited - to be consistent with all of Rowling's DH rubbish. What a colossal mess would result!!
Ron vows that if Sirius wants to kill Harry he’ll have to kill them too. I mention this only because I’m pretty sure Steve Kloves expelliariumsed this line of Ron’s and presented it to Hermione along with every other admirable thing he could get his hands on in this movie, so I’ve
( ... )
Just imagine if the books were rewritten - edited - to be consistent with all of Rowling's DH rubbish. What a colossal mess would result!!
LOL! Every book should have an epilogue where the characters have to get together and do some complicated duelling exercise where they disarm their own wand back into their possession, following the chain backwards.
Heh. Or otherwise let it be a free-for-all, with EVERYONE disarming EVERYONE, so EVERYONE is on a level playing field, operating with sub-par wands.
Only some sneaky Slytherin would probably come to the party with a false wand or something.
But wait! DH shows us that merely slapping a second wand out of a wizard's hands is enough to transitively dispossess that wizard of his mastery of ALL wands!! So yes, my "disarm everyone" idea might work, at that!!
"Although Deathly Hallows has changed it all, because Lupin knew full well that he REMAINED THE MASTER of those wands that he handed back. He was NEVER in any danger at all!" I expect that the "JO defense army" respond to that would be that nobody in the WW besides wandmakers knew about the "wand will change alliance if taken by force" rule. That would explain why learning this rule wasn't part of the Hogwarts curriculum. But otoh it's very unbelievable that wandmakers could still keep it a secret from the general public after centuries of conflicts between wizards. And why keep it a secret anyway?
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Could it be in case a guest drops by, like... oh, I don't know... SNAPE? (In Church Lady voice.)
...it was “brave” of Harry and Hermione not to run for a teacher when their friend was dragged into a tree by a large animal. Even if it plays right into his seemingly nefarious plans for them it was the right choice.
Riiight. Note that Voldemort will make use of that impulse later. Black would no doubt approve.
This is courage in its purest, least diluted form. And Slytherins can’t ever have it because even in their most angry moments they’d probably still be afraid of something.
Like fear is a bad thing instead of a natural response to danger. Like using wiles or brains or determination to counter fear is a bad thing.
Harry hears a voice in his head telling him to kill Sirius. Years ago I read a theory about how the voice in Harry’s head directing him to do something in GoF was Ginny’s because she was his true love. So now every time Harry has one of these “voice in the head” moments ( ... )
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I've always loved that line from the Wizard of Oz where the Wizard says the Lion thinks that simply because he runs away from danger, he has no courage. He's confusing courage with wisdom.
Huh?
I didn't get it either. But it was such a bizarre idea that I started randomly planting Ginny in Harry's head.
Personally, I'm shocked everybody isn't becoming an animagus. It's one of the first things I'd want to learn if I were a wizard.
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Yeah, I know. Rowling threw it in because it was 'cool' or whatever, but really, time travel trumps everything. If I was a super hero - not that I spend much time thinking about such things, mind! - I'd want time travel as my super-power. Because someone with time travel will always reign supreme. I cite as proof "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure".
Once Rowling introduced time travel the whole series was blown. Although she did half-heartedly try to plug up the hole, I think Hermione mentions in HBP how all the Ministry time turners were destroyed? Of course we'll conveniently turn a blind eye to the time turners stashed away by the Malfoys or all the other dark wizards ...
Argh indeed.
Lupin hugs Sirius like a brother.
Wait... this is before he's even heard his explanation? Whoa.
Did Lupin know the truth by then? Seeing Pettigrew's name on the map or something? Otherwise yeah, that's a big boo-boo that I never saw before!
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Hermione, especially, just spent the whole book being singularly insensitive to peoples’ dead pets as if she just didn’t get the problem. Suddenly she’s transfixed with horror at the idea and ( ... )
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I do wonder with MWPP left those places off the map. Maybe they ran out of room on the parchment. Or they didn't want anybody to know Remus was in the Shack in case the map was discovered? Or maybe they were being helpful for plot purposes.
Harry raises his wand to kill Sirius. And what was he going to do with the wand? Cast a Jelly-leg jinx? Oh, maybe use Wingardium Leviosa and then drop him on the floor or bash his head into a wall?
That is kind of hilarious. Put his eye out, I guess.
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That is kind of hilarious. Put his eye out, I guess.
Nah, shove it up his nose. It worked for Harry before!
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Well, you never hear about the *shack* having been built for the purpose of housing a werewolf (pretty good trick of managing to build a new house and have it *immediately* be rumored to be haunted).
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By this time Severus is also on his way, several minutes behind Remus. Severus saw Remus running down the passageway out of sight. Since Remus saw Peter last at the willow and Severus saw Remus already in the tunnel the time gap between seeing the map and arriving at the Shack should be greater in Severus' case. (IOW when Remus enters the room Severus should be still in the castle, on his way to the doors or something.)
Lupin expelliariumses everybody’s wand. So now he’s the master of everybody’s wand. Or just the one Sirius was using? Or just the ones where the people who owned them were holding them. Something like that.Unless Remus had his fingers crossed too. (Sirius was no longer holding a wand. Harry held his, Hermione the two others. Hermione totally is the master of Ron's wand ( ... )
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Peter may have manipulated that isolation. He needed James to trust him so when Dumbledore said the spy was someone close to the Potters he wouldn't be the one suspected so he may have done something to make Remus look suspicious.
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Look how the choice between serious tortured hero and funny, unsentimental, also-hero messed up the original Star Wars Trilogy!
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Rowling has said pretty much exactly that on her web site here:
I have often said that Hermione is a bit like me when I was younger. I think I was seen by other people as a right little know-it-all, but I hope that it is clear that underneath Hermione's swottiness there is a lot of insecurity and a great fear of failure (as shown by her Boggart in 'Prisoner of Azkaban').
But then, yes, Hermione got a makeover and became pretty/beautiful for Ron, while Harry got the pretty belle of Hogwarts who materialised out of the ether in book 6.
For the thousandth time, why didn’t JKR say that the Elder Wand OF POWER had unique properties?Darn, you are so, SO right! Some of the most colossal failures of the last book would have been extinguished by just a few lines. Even though Rowling didn't have a clue about the Hallows until she sat down to write book 7 she could still have made it clear that the Elder Wand operated on wand 'rules' completely distinct from ( ... )
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How DARE you?? The fact that you are 100% right, doesn't give you the right to give her your cheek! Siriusly, how desperate for ideas must she have been, how completely her original plot must have fallen apart, how much must her ego have been engorged by praise, that she thought the DH was the best way to finish the series?
---"She just went ahead and contradicted all of her earlier books. "
Mutter mutter - you can be your own secret keeper, so what was the point of everything - mutter mutter.
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Impossible. He ended up being awarded with Hermione, after all. What a gal! :-)
Sirius disarms Harry and Hermione. So he’s the master of their wands now, right? *rolls eyes*
Aw, hell, you beat me to it. I was going to write a paragraph of parody at how the kids lost the mastery of their wands, and, after Lupin "threw each back to its owner", they never worked nearly as well EVER AGAIN, because Lupin was still their master. Just like it was for Harry with Hermione's wand in DH. And the Elder Wand with Riddle, after he took it from Dumbledore's tomb. Riiight. But you were way ahead of me.
Just imagine if the books were rewritten - edited - to be consistent with all of Rowling's DH rubbish. What a colossal mess would result!!
Ron vows that if Sirius wants to kill Harry he’ll have to kill them too. I mention this only because I’m pretty sure Steve Kloves expelliariumsed this line of Ron’s and presented it to Hermione along with every other admirable thing he could get his hands on in this movie, so I’ve ( ... )
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LOL! Every book should have an epilogue where the characters have to get together and do some complicated duelling exercise where they disarm their own wand back into their possession, following the chain backwards.
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Only some sneaky Slytherin would probably come to the party with a false wand or something.
But wait! DH shows us that merely slapping a second wand out of a wizard's hands is enough to transitively dispossess that wizard of his mastery of ALL wands!! So yes, my "disarm everyone" idea might work, at that!!
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I expect that the "JO defense army" respond to that would be that nobody in the WW besides wandmakers knew about the "wand will change alliance if taken by force" rule.
That would explain why learning this rule wasn't part of the Hogwarts curriculum. But otoh it's very unbelievable that wandmakers could still keep it a secret from the general public after centuries of conflicts between wizards.
And why keep it a secret anyway?
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