AMC--Chapter Seven!

Aug 01, 2005 14:24

Some of you have been pestering me to post. I would like to say to those people ( Read more... )

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dawn_felagund August 2 2005, 13:59:23 UTC
My problem with most Mary Sues is one of characterization. I do not like wholly perfect characters. I do not like wholly *imperfect* characters either, but wholly perfect characters drive me completely nuts. I cannot relate to such stories because no one is that perfect in real life; I cannot empathize with one-dimensional characters.

This is not to say that my own characterization is perfect, of course :) But I would list characterization as the number one thing that draws me into and makes me love a story. My opinion, of course!

My understanding of a "Mary Sue" is a character who is one-dimensional in the sense that she is absolutely and impeccably perfect. Perhaps I am incorrect in this perception; I am new to the Tolkien writing community, after all, and there are not a lot of Mary Sues in Silmarillion fiction. I have no problem with girls falling into Middle-earth or falling in love with Legolas--I only ask that they be *real* characters and not someone opening a Perfect Princess in a Can and plopping her into their story ( ... )

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fanged_geranium August 2 2005, 17:06:19 UTC
It'd be interesting to see what an advert for modern western society looked like - would we be able to recognise it?

I think 'canon-fanatic' as opposed to 'canon-nazi'. My fanaticism mostly applies to my own writing - I like all my fics to fit in with at least one version of LoTR or a Silmarillion.

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dawn_felagund August 2 2005, 17:26:53 UTC
It'd be interesting to see what an advert for modern western society looked like - would we be able to recognise it?

Heh heh. Probably not. I'm just as interested, though, in seeing what a history book from the year 2105 says about these heady times....

My fanaticism mostly applies to my own writing....

That is commendable, I think. I tend to be a mechanics-nazi (mechanatic?) but I find it improper to correct other people's grammar unless they ask me to do it.

I correct my own, though, in mid-sentence, which annoys even me! ;D

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fanged_geranium August 2 2005, 17:40:03 UTC
what a history book from the year 2105 says about these heady times....

All you have to do is wait around long enough to find out! Although you might end up with a nostalgic attitude like most old folks tend to have - you know, the "it wasn't like that in my day" thing.

I correct my own, though, in mid-sentence

That's a habit I acquired from my sister.

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fanged_geranium August 2 2005, 17:15:33 UTC
Tolkien always pretends that he is looking at "real" history!

Which is the best bit! I love his explanations about the hobbits' real names and the actual Westron language.

And there are notes to go with LaCE for example that indicate that this text was written by a man, and not an elf...

Also good fun. Although all the preambles in 'Lost Tales' irritated me slightly - I wanted to get on with reading the story!

I just realised that you are the JunoMagic on FF.net, who wrote 'Lothiriel'. A friend recommended it, and it's on my to-read list for a rainy weekend.

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fanged_geranium August 2 2005, 17:31:53 UTC
Now, would elves tell a man all about their intimate habits? Or only the official version?

This is something that I am depending on for one of my WIPs.

would he maybe lie?

I can see that as an exam question: Consider the reliability of Aelfwine as a source.

If you ever get round to reading Lothy, let me know what you think about my monster!

Will do! 107 chapters, though. That's got to be one of the longest fics ever!

I have 'friended' you - I hope you don't mind.

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dawn_felagund August 2 2005, 17:23:19 UTC
This is one of the issues in this story, actually.

The Sil and bits of HoMe are credited to either Rumil or Pengolodh. Rumil stayed in Tirion and was loyal to Finarfin; Pengolodh served Turgon, who hated the Feanorians.

I have read that Pengolodh was born in Middle-earth. If Rumil didn't go to ME, then there is a big blank in the Feanorians' history that might just be the first gap-filler fan fiction! (If you take the Sil as a historical text, that is.)

Either way, I don't think either is going to be prone to writing nicely about my favorite Elves. (And one might get into some pretty heavy trouble even if he did....)

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fanged_geranium August 2 2005, 17:47:13 UTC
I found it interesting that the Feanorians got (for want of a better expression) more 'evil' in each of Tolkien's re-writes of their story.

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dawn_felagund August 2 2005, 17:59:03 UTC
Hmmm...never noticed this before, but I suppose you are right.

My temptation as a writer would be too make them *less* evil and thus (IMHO) more complicated, but who am I to question JRRT? :)

Besides, we all know of my affinity for complicated characters--it's what sparked this discussion after all! ;D

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fanged_geranium August 2 2005, 18:06:39 UTC
Demonisation due to a biased narrator? What did Rumil and Pengolodh have against the Feanorians?

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dawn_felagund August 2 2005, 19:21:56 UTC
Rumil, by remaining in Tirion with Finarfin, would seem to be disapproving of the whole idea of rebellion and/or supportive of the Valar, neither of which suggests he'd be endeared to the Feanorians.

Pengolodh worked for Turgon. Turgon hated the Feanorians for his wife's death. I wouldn't want to be around when King Turgon read Pengolodh's account of how daddy-Fingolfin may have gotten his just desserts for being a whiny brat....

Sorry, day's ending...getting slap-happy :D

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fanged_geranium August 3 2005, 10:25:01 UTC
And Feanor "borrowed" Rumil's alphabet.

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dawn_felagund August 3 2005, 12:34:21 UTC
Heheh. True!

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dawn_felagund August 2 2005, 16:10:23 UTC
Different strokes for different folks, eh? :D ( ... )

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