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darthmaus May 18 2005, 16:54:13 UTC
Yyyyeah. Not something we're likely to see on the front page of the National Post, now, is it?

*hiss* *grumble*

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darthmaus May 18 2005, 17:06:08 UTC
Heheh. Yeah, I had to take some pictures when we were removing asbestos from the basement -- ya gotta have some fun with a grim task like that! :)

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greyweirdo May 18 2005, 17:47:21 UTC
Yeah, cause calling a woman a whore for not agreeing with you is going to bring her rushing back to your arms. Did they also spray paint the word bitch on her car or kidnap her cat?

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greyweirdo May 18 2005, 17:57:39 UTC
Maybe they all showed up drunk on her door step at 2 am and started shouting at her window about how much they loved her and she done them wrong.

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estrellada May 18 2005, 18:00:46 UTC
this is why I got out of politics at the Studenty Society level.

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flipzagging May 18 2005, 18:10:10 UTC
I did notice that the language people use for her is totally different. "Prostitute", "fluffy", "photogenic", etc. Sad. But I doubt this is wholly a Conservative problem; in fact I doubt it's even a strategy, since it is already backfiring.

I've been reading up on Stronach. I'd like to believe we have a possible Trudeau here, but the jury is out IMO.

She may really deserve some scorn re: her political sensibilities, but it's hard for me to tell through the filters of the media. Even if she was a genius, they probably wouldn't see past the blonde hair.

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greyweirdo May 18 2005, 18:16:18 UTC
We've got much the same problem here. When a woman senator (can't remember her name for the life of me) was grilling someone on the fact that they were blatantly lying to her the senator was refered to as "screaching" and "vindictive" by the press. I think it's a big problem all over.

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saxifrage00 May 18 2005, 20:31:25 UTC
it is already backfiring

Yeah. My reaction after reading the article was essentially, "Ha ha, the Conservatives are shooting themselves in the foot again."

I'll keep laughing at their bumbling until they stop being such regressive dips. Here's hoping it's a generational thing as babboo said, and that the old Conservatives and Reformers will die out and take their bigotry to the grave.

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babboo May 18 2005, 19:55:14 UTC
What I find stupid (in addition to the sexist stuff) is David Kilgour ranting at Belinda about crossing the floor, yet many years ago he turned into a liberal after being a conservative, then molded himself into an independant. Twit.

As far as sexism being a right-wing thing, I dunno. You know I am a lefty, but I have also heard some pretty sexist and racist stuff come from other lefties. I *like* to think that that is mostly a gemerational thing, that it is mostly coming from the old-timers, but I haven't seen any studies.

That's it! We need to do a (government-funded, of course) to see if right-wingers are more sexist than left-wingers! Estrellada??? ;)

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estrellada May 18 2005, 20:10:22 UTC
That's it! We need to do a (government-funded, of course) to see if right-wingers are more sexist than left-wingers! Estrellada??? ;)

From my empirical recall of what the DSU was like:
-both lefties and righties could be jerks, and all of us drank too much.
-righties would be more up-front sexist, racist and homophobic (I once, when arguing for the Douglas Pride Collective to get office space, was asked "What's next, a bestiality and pedophilia space?" In the midde of a quorum'd meeting. I hope COLEY MANSFIELD'S words went on the minutes. I was too stunned to respond, and went on to my next point.)
-lefties knew how to hide their biases, but they'd come out. We had a First Nations DSU president who had a (legitimate) drinking problem. You can guess what was said when we were in our cups.
-we were jerks about people. So and So's height. What's her face's compulsive eating. Etc.
-Lesson: politicians are still people, and people often say mean things.

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darthmaus May 18 2005, 20:43:33 UTC
Oh yeah, there is discrimination on the left wing too, no doubt about it. However, I think it is atypical, or at least less typical.

On the right wing, it is normal. On the right wing, those who are *not* closed-minded bigots are celebrated or villified because that property is so rare. Sexism and racism are, near as I can tell, pretty much condoned on the right wing -- as evidenced by the (almost complete lack of) media reaction to these antics.

On the left, people have more of an image of tolerance to maintain, so if the bigotry is there it at least has to be hidden.

Oh, wait, I'm being cynical again, aren't I?

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greyweirdo May 18 2005, 21:23:40 UTC
Oh, wait, I'm being cynical again, aren't I?

Just a wee bit. No wait, is saying wee like that considered an insult to shrot people? Is the fact that I just askied that an insult? Is it insulting that I don't know? AAHHHHHH!!!!!!! *SSHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOLLLLLP!*

The novelist had imploded under the strain of his own wingey liberal BS

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lazarus7 May 18 2005, 23:53:49 UTC
sexisms and gender stereotyping happening on both sides of that aisle ...

Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan welcomed Stronach with a comment about how it would be good to work with someone with such nice shoes. I forget the exact quote but I did hear it on CBC Radio this afternoon.

Here is a news link that mentions it

By no means defending anyone as I find the comments inappropriate at best but just saying its not just the Conservatives this time.

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darthmaus May 19 2005, 04:40:00 UTC
Yeah, see above -- I know it's not limited to the right wing (although IMO the Liberals are pretty right-wing too, I should say) but I do believe it's more typical of the right wing to be so overt about it.

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