Vampire Diaries - random thoughts through 110

[dangermousie]

1. This must be the first vampire story I have ever seen in whch having sex with your vampire lover does not lead to the end of the world and soul-crushing misery but instead post-coital snuggling. I am still recovering.

Comments

[morwen_peredhil]

Damon/Stake is my OTP. He left the moral event horizon in the dust, yeah, about 200 murders ago.

I say this as someone who thought both Angelus and Spike were huge amounts of fun and never wanted to see the last of either of them. I think it's because they were soulless vampire demons, while Damon is an evil person who happens to be a vampire.

[dangermousie]

I am with you on both Spike and Angelus and Damon. At no point did BtVS ever treated them as OK in their soulless state pretends s6 of BtVS do not exist. Plus, Buffy could have killed either with a hand tied behind her back.

[meganbmoore]

Also, with Spike and Angelus, they were actually demons possessing the bodies (though I think the demons actually merged with the human hosts' personalities or something?) It's repeatedly made clear that, in TVD, being a vampire doesn't change who you are, it just amplifies your personality traits and feelings. We also learn that Damon was totally fine with the idea of killing people (and helped) when he was still human.

[littledelusion]

The thing with Damon is that he's shown to have this gentler side and he knows what he does is wrong. Once in a while, he even regrets things. The problem is, he's too effing selfish and angry to ever stick with being good because he knows being evil is less painful.

I think they're going to stick with "he's secretly good but loathes himself for it" and I'm mildly okay with that as long as the show understands that he's still a bad guy. I can't do anything about crazy hormonal fangirls but I can at least throw something at my TV if Elena suddenly falls in love with the psycho.

PS: STEFAN 4EVAH!!!

[raffaella]

The thing with Damon is that he's shown to have this gentler side and he knows what he does is wrong. Once in a while, he even regrets things.

I hope you don't mind me butting in, but that just makes him capricious, I think. I don't know if you watch Doctor Who, but one of my favourite moments from the Christopher Eccleston season is when the Ninth doctor stops an alien murderer and is about to extradite her to some place where she will be judged harshly, and she pleads for mercy because she was about to kill some girl, then noticed that she was pregnant, so she spared her, which to her, proves that she's changed. And he answers: "It doesn't mean anything. You let one of them go, but that's nothing new. Every now and then, a little victim's spared. Because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions. Because once in a while, on a whim, if the wind's in the right direction...you happen to be kind."

Basically, that's how I feel about Damon.

[littledelusion]

First, I love you for making a Doctor Who reference (especially to Nine

[raffaella]

Yeah...maybe. One day. But this:

I think he does have the quality to be good and he knows it but he can't bother with it because being good never got him anything. Not Katherine, not Elena, not his father's approval.

It makes me think even less of him, sorry. Plus, I don't think I'll ever forgive him for killing his brother's best friend (among other horrible things). And I don't really understand how Stefan can forgive him that either. Yes, I know, brothers etc...Not good enough for me.

Anyway, the bottom line is that I don't even find him interesting, so there isn't anything in it for me. I don't mind evil characters as long as 1)I find them interesting, 2)I'm not supposed to feel sorry for them and go: "but he saved that kitten that one time, he's such a misunderstood woobie!"

Nine was the best! I still miss him an awful lot.

[meganbmoore]

The show's approach to Damon repeatedly gets me dangerously close to dumping the show, much as I like many other aspects. All the parts that everyone else says make him more layered and sympathetic and intriguing just annoyed me and made me more irritated with him because it was all basically the show wanting us tp forget the things he does because of his angst. And, frankly, I find him to be horribly misogynistic.

Stefan and Elena remain wonderfully functional, though, and I love the scenes where she tells him to knock it off with the angsty vampire stuff.

[dangermousie]

I just got through ep 1.11 and how can anyone like Damon? How? I honestly and genuinely don't get it. I just want him dead every time I see him. It's like partying with a serial killer.

[meganbmoore]

Is that the Gina Torres ep? Because, IMO, that's when the series starts taking his actions seriously and starts trying to excuse them, because it's the first time someone has actually tried to make him pay for his actions (even Stefan was more trying to contain him than anything else) and the end of the episode portrayed it as he was the one in the right. (A couple eps later, they have him abduct a bunch of college girls to be his food/sex and abuse toys, and the show expects us to focus on his ANGST.)

Also, a lot of people seem to think it's the ep where Damon/Elena takes off, which confuses me terribly? Because she was in a car wreck and her car flipped over and she passed out 10 seconds after he got her out, and so he...abducts her across state lines while she's unconscious. (hey, Damon, ever hear of a CONCUSSION? Internal injuries? Anything like that?) And this...is sexytimes road trip.

[dangermousie]

Yup, that one.

All I could think when it ended was 'diiiiiiie Damon!!!!!!!!!1' and the same thought about internal injuries came to me - remember Natasha Richardson? Yeah, she didn't have broken bones either.

[coronanl]

I don't know, without Damon banter this show would be a lot less fun :) But I agree it's near impossible for him to be redeemable. Then again, I'm such a sucker for Ian Somerhalder. It's the EYES!

[dangermousie]

I find IS sleazy looking.

*hides*

[coronanl]

Gasp! No matter, I'll just do the creepy stare thing all by myself right in this corner.

I found him a creep in Lost though and in VP ib the beginning too, but then... I'm not sure what happened, nom nom

[elvensapphire]

Elena and Stefan are such a wonderful couple by any current TV standards (most of the time), even with the vampire aspect. They actually value each other's opinions and communicate with one another like real people, and he's often sweet just for the sake of it and protective without suffocating her, while she's assertive without being bitchy or emasculating and yet still sensitive and feminine. Even this season, they're still like that, and I hope they keep it that way. Every time they get a moment of happiness, my brain immediately goes into "oh no! something horrible is going to happen now" - I blame Joss Whedon, that masochist. :p So I hope the writers do the unexpected and keep them together despite all the obstacles thrown at them in the show.

[dangermousie]

I get the same Buffy dread :)

But yes, they are lovely together.