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katie_m March 28 2009, 17:47:41 UTC
When Sarah comes back to the lighthouse, the boat is gone and Charlie is dead because John did exactly what he was supposed to do: save himself.

Yeah. I wonder if we'll find out whether John was faced with a real choice there; he made the choice to go first, let Charley be the rearguard, but the part we saw didn't show him leaving Charley alive. I'd like to think he didn't have to--Charley was shot, which means he died before the explosives blew. Not that it helps John all that much either way.

when he insists that the he wouldn't have talked under torture, Cameron tells him confidently that he will

I thought she was referring to Allison, but that she might have been talking about Derek does make a lot of sense.

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danceswithwords March 29 2009, 02:37:09 UTC
I'd like to think he didn't have to--Charley was shot, which means he died before the explosives blew. Not that it helps John all that much either way.

I picture John pulling the boat out into the water after Charlie got shot. The one thing that struck me was that Charlie was really being the rearguard--he took up a position on land, at the entrance to the dock, determined to stop whatever it was, and John had to have known that. There is not enough therapy in the world for FutureJohn!

I thought she was referring to Allison, but that she might have been talking about Derek does make a lot of sense.

I hadn't thought of Allison, but that makes sense too. I really want the show to explain what happened in that basement at some point.

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asta77 March 28 2009, 19:31:54 UTC
It is, again, the opposite of what we're used to thinking of as heroic; there can never be any noble charge at the enemy in defense of a friend for John Connor.The trippy or ironic thing is, in order for John Connor to be the savior of humanity, it's hero, in the future he often has to be unheroic in the past, allowing people to die in order that he live. Sometimes I'm surprised that John isn't more screwed up ( ... )

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danceswithwords March 29 2009, 02:39:11 UTC
Sometimes I'm surprised that John isn't more screwed up.

FOX willing, I suspect we have yet to see how screwed up John can be.

Ultimately, I think that moment was used to make a connection between Cameron and Derek. He thanked her for telling him, the sentiment genuine, and it was a huge moment between the two. For a second, I think he viewed her gesture as an act of compassion, providing him with a piece of his own history he was unaware of, and forgetting who and what it was that was telling him this.

That could be. It seemed a little calculated to me on her part, but then, she calculates everything she does, which doesn't necessarily mean she's doing it to further some hidden plan.

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