That holds true for Sarah and John's decision to risk exposure by getting help for Kyle. Should be Derek. Your Freudian slip is showing. ;)
I loved the glimpse back to the future and I can't help but wonder what 'reprogramming' was going on in the basement room with the music. Or was it simple intel? After all, the tunnel had been invaded by the time Derek got back. Has Derek been programmed to destroy or to betray?
Andy Good told Derek that there were ten or so others involved in the development of SkyNet. I suspect he was superfluous to the process if he didn't even know their names. Pity. That is information Sarah could use in the present.
Those myopic jerks at FOX are totally going to cancel this show, aren't they. *cries* This would make me very unhappy. And angry. God, why did it have to be Fox?
Thanks for the catch. I guess it's obvious that in my mind, Kyle hangs very heavily over all those scenes.
I loved the glimpse back to the future and I can't help but wonder what 'reprogramming' was going on in the basement room with the music. Or was it simple intel?
I don't think Derek would have gone back to established resistance compounds if he knew he'd been interfered with, so whatever happened seems to have been either something that didn't make him feel like his knowledge had been compromised or something he didn't remember. I hope we get to find out.
I suspect he was superfluous to the process if he didn't even know their names.
Yeah, that's part of why I suspect his role in it was already done when Derek killed him. Although you'd think John would have sent him back to before Sarah burned him out then. Hm. I wonder how much of the present is fluid, altered by the Connors' current actions and not the past that the future John Connor remembers.
I don't think Derek would have gone back to established resistance compounds if he knew he'd been interfered with, so whatever happened seems to have been either something that didn't make him feel like his knowledge had been compromised or something he didn't remember. I hope we get to find out.
OK, it just dawned on me that Derek could have been the one to give up the location of their base. I need to stop multi-tasking while watching this show. Oh! Will an ep being airing while I'm in SF???
it looks like we are pretty much on the same page when it comes to the series. :)
To me, that act seemed less like a malicious betrayal, more like a dangerous curiosity: Cameron trying to understand who she is and needing that glimpse of what she was in order to do it, Pandora and a box.I agree, I have no concerns about Cameron betraying them. I think her demeanor, which we are suppose to interpret as somewhat sinister, is a result of her knowing she's disobeying orders and doing something she shouldn't. Even though they've retconned the character from the pilot, I still believe there is something different about Cameron. Are we even sure she was a model built by the machines? What if she was the first model created by humans? Though Derek seemed to recognize her in the future. Maybe it's just that she was reprogrammed differently. But I think this curiosity she has - who is she? how is she alike/different from those like her? - makes her unique
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I think she was a reprogrammed model, though clearly something about her makes her capable of a level of self-reflection that might be unusual. How much of that is attributable to having to adapt to a human-dominated world is an open question at this point. But her curiosity is dangerous enough without active malice, since she's thinking like an individual, with individual wants, and that's not part of the original mission.
My question is will John and Sarah be faced with having to kill him?
That would be an interesting, and very heartbreaking, way for this to go.
I posted some thoughts over at asta77's lj, with the focus being is Ryse running on his own agenda as well as any assistance/reprogramming.
As with the film Terminator 2: the one thing people "miss" is the fact that Sarah has become a Terminator, sole goal to kill the entire species of cyborgs. In the film, I think at the end she realizes this as she starts to have no value on any life (human or cyborg) that is contrary to her goal.
I don't see Derek's killing of Andy as a vendetta. There was a hopeful and borderline fanatical gleam in his eye when he talked about having the chance to remake the future and prevent the catastrophe. I'm unclear how much detailed information Derek had about Andy and/or the Turk. One assumes he had some, from John, but who knows how much, or what events might have transpired in the meantime to refine John's understanding of Skynet's origins. But just from their conversation in the prison house, I can easily see Derek fixating on Andy himself as the cause of disaster, rather than the Turk.
I think one thing Sarah has been shown wrestling with consistently in the show is how far she's willing to go to protect John, and that she's something of a midpoint between Cameron's robotic, utilitarian view of people and John's impulses toward compassion and involvement.
Excellent analysis and very interesting reading. I don't think they'll cancel the show just yet, because afaik, it's a really successful show. Also, one of the few new things to watch. And speaking of my own farmer's almanac, more people comment on SCC episodes on my flist than on any other show, except maybe Supernatural.
It does seem to be generating a lot of interest in LJ fandom, and I know the ratings have been relatively good, but (a) this is FOX, which simply doesn't know what to do with the interesting genre shows it insists on picking up, and (b) as far as I know, there has been no word of orders placed for the rest of the season, and I don't think production on the remaining 5 episodes of an initial 13-episode order has resumed, either. (I really hope I'm at least wrong about that last part.) So I continue to be nervous.
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I loved the glimpse back to the future and I can't help but wonder what 'reprogramming' was going on in the basement room with the music. Or was it simple intel? After all, the tunnel had been invaded by the time Derek got back. Has Derek been programmed to destroy or to betray?
Andy Good told Derek that there were ten or so others involved in the development of SkyNet. I suspect he was superfluous to the process if he didn't even know their names. Pity. That is information Sarah could use in the present.
Those myopic jerks at FOX are totally going to cancel this show, aren't they. *cries* This would make me very unhappy. And angry. God, why did it have to be Fox?
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Thanks for the catch. I guess it's obvious that in my mind, Kyle hangs very heavily over all those scenes.
I loved the glimpse back to the future and I can't help but wonder what 'reprogramming' was going on in the basement room with the music. Or was it simple intel?
I don't think Derek would have gone back to established resistance compounds if he knew he'd been interfered with, so whatever happened seems to have been either something that didn't make him feel like his knowledge had been compromised or something he didn't remember. I hope we get to find out.
I suspect he was superfluous to the process if he didn't even know their names.
Yeah, that's part of why I suspect his role in it was already done when Derek killed him. Although you'd think John would have sent him back to before Sarah burned him out then. Hm. I wonder how much of the present is fluid, altered by the Connors' current actions and not the past that the future John Connor remembers.
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OK, it just dawned on me that Derek could have been the one to give up the location of their base. I need to stop multi-tasking while watching this show. Oh! Will an ep being airing while I'm in SF???
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I'm thinking not, since apparently they only finished 8 before the strike.
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To me, that act seemed less like a malicious betrayal, more like a dangerous curiosity: Cameron trying to understand who she is and needing that glimpse of what she was in order to do it, Pandora and a box.I agree, I have no concerns about Cameron betraying them. I think her demeanor, which we are suppose to interpret as somewhat sinister, is a result of her knowing she's disobeying orders and doing something she shouldn't. Even though they've retconned the character from the pilot, I still believe there is something different about Cameron. Are we even sure she was a model built by the machines? What if she was the first model created by humans? Though Derek seemed to recognize her in the future. Maybe it's just that she was reprogrammed differently. But I think this curiosity she has - who is she? how is she alike/different from those like her? - makes her unique ( ... )
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My question is will John and Sarah be faced with having to kill him?
That would be an interesting, and very heartbreaking, way for this to go.
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So even among cyborgs this is a secret weapon.
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As with the film Terminator 2: the one thing people "miss" is the fact that Sarah has become a Terminator, sole goal to kill the entire species of cyborgs. In the film, I think at the end she realizes this as she starts to have no value on any life (human or cyborg) that is contrary to her goal.
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I think one thing Sarah has been shown wrestling with consistently in the show is how far she's willing to go to protect John, and that she's something of a midpoint between Cameron's robotic, utilitarian view of people and John's impulses toward compassion and involvement.
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