I remembered that story, but I'd forgotten it had been written by Moffat. I didn't suffer double vision from it, and I don't think it was only due to not remembering that Moffat had penned both. I think of them as two completely different stories(*). I saw the 7th Doctor story as more of a precursor to this one - an example that, yes, the Doctor has changed people's pasts before. I also saw it as highlighting the contrast between Seven and Eleven.
(*) This isn't the first time someone's story has been recycled in NuWho, and it probably won't be the last.
1. Jubilee (6th Doctor Big Finish) and Dalek (9th Doctor) were quite different. Yes, they had a similar concept to start with - a Dalek prisoner treated with contempt - but the rest of it was completely different.
2. Human Nature (7th Doctor) and Human Nature/Family of Blood (10th Doctor) were the closest ones that felt less separate; and yet they were still quite different, a contrast between Seven and Ten, with different motives to begin with, and different outcomes.
Oh, yeah, I certainly didn't mean to say there were no other riffs or adaptations of previous material in NuWho; I know there have been (and, like you, I don't doubt there will be more) -- just that, in this case, the parallels seem really clear to me, in ways I wouldn't have expected/predicted.
YMMV, natch; this is just MY reaction. If fandom teaches us anything, it's that the same material can generate wildly different responses in different people. And how . . . ;)
Again though Moffat ignores canon, Karzan hugs his younger self...What happened to 'Don't Touch The Baby?'
It begs the question, when The Doctor lands in a bad situation, why doesn't he just go back a little further in time and prevent it from happening? It's a damn slippery slope, to fiddle with established timelines...or so we were lead to be believe by 40+ years of Whovian history.
And gee Doc, it's okay that Karzan continued to keep and as far as we can tell will continue to keep debtor hostages...But Rory and Amy are okay, so that's all that really matters right?
*SIGH* Flying sharks with bowties are cool I suppose...
It begs the question, when The Doctor lands in a bad situation, why doesn't he just go back a little further in time and prevent it from happening? It's a damn slippery slope, to fiddle with established timelines...or so we were lead to be believe by 40+ years of Whovian history.
One of the recurring potential flaws I've seen with Moffat's DW writing (and it even shows up in his utter crack like "The Curse of Fatal Death") is his fascination with the cunning plot potentials of timey-wiminess. You do have to have the in-built restrictions of "becoming part of the timeline" and the "Blinovitch limitation effect", etc., to keep a show like DW from completely falling apart logically, and Moffat continually flirts with those boundaries. So far, IMO, he hasn't crossed them irrevocably in canon, but he's edged pretty damn close . . .
And gee Doc, it's okay that Karzan continued to keep and as far as we can tell will continue to keep debtor hostages...But Rory and Amy are okay, so that's all that really matters right?Oh, yeah, a whole '
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(*) This isn't the first time someone's story has been recycled in NuWho, and it probably won't be the last.
1. Jubilee (6th Doctor Big Finish) and Dalek (9th Doctor) were quite different. Yes, they had a similar concept to start with - a Dalek prisoner treated with contempt - but the rest of it was completely different.
2. Human Nature (7th Doctor) and Human Nature/Family of Blood (10th Doctor) were the closest ones that felt less separate; and yet they were still quite different, a contrast between Seven and Ten, with different motives to begin with, and different outcomes.
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YMMV, natch; this is just MY reaction. If fandom teaches us anything, it's that the same material can generate wildly different responses in different people. And how . . . ;)
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It begs the question, when The Doctor lands in a bad situation, why doesn't he just go back a little further in time and prevent it from happening? It's a damn slippery slope, to fiddle with established timelines...or so we were lead to be believe by 40+ years of Whovian history.
And gee Doc, it's okay that Karzan continued to keep and as far as we can tell will continue to keep debtor hostages...But Rory and Amy are okay, so that's all that really matters right?
*SIGH* Flying sharks with bowties are cool I suppose...
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One of the recurring potential flaws I've seen with Moffat's DW writing (and it even shows up in his utter crack like "The Curse of Fatal Death") is his fascination with the cunning plot potentials of timey-wiminess. You do have to have the in-built restrictions of "becoming part of the timeline" and the "Blinovitch limitation effect", etc., to keep a show like DW from completely falling apart logically, and Moffat continually flirts with those boundaries. So far, IMO, he hasn't crossed them irrevocably in canon, but he's edged pretty damn close . . .
And gee Doc, it's okay that Karzan continued to keep and as far as we can tell will continue to keep debtor hostages...But Rory and Amy are okay, so that's all that really matters right?Oh, yeah, a whole ' ( ... )
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