Day 05 - A show you hate

[dalekboy]

Ok, going to try to catch up a bit now I'm back from sleeping in forests.

So far it's been interesting how closely angriest and I match. When I was thinking about this topic, my first thought was 'something like The Footy Show.' Then I decided that I'd go for something I hated that I had actually watched more than a bit of.

There's V the Series from

Comments

[angriest]

I think there's a lot of good in Voyager. They had a hell of a time overcoming a very shaky first season (which you can see in the last four episodes of that year, including your personal favourite "The 37s").

Season 2 has a lot of good stuff, and every year they managed to knock out four or five really decent episodes.

But yes, a show that completely failed to tackle its own premise - mainly I think because they developed a premise that was a bit darker and more cynical like Deep Space Nine, and then decided it needed to be bright and idealistic like The Next Generation.

[dalekboy]

I think your last paragraph nails it - they had a dark idea chock full of potential human drama, and then wussed the fuck out.

And I have to say, apart from the last two minutes, Year of Hell parts 1 & 2 are an utterly fantastic bit of storytelling. Truly gruelling and harrowing, it's just a shame that a totally hamfisted approach to hitting the reset button screwed the ending. And most of the Doctor-centric episodes, and a chunk of the 7 of 9 episodes, really told some interesting character stories. Problem was, these were the exception.

Damn you, you've mentioned the 37s, and I've come out in a rash.

[angriest]

The series-killing episode for me is still "Tuvix", where Janeway orders a pre-meditated order and nobody except her victim seems to have a particular problem with that.

[angriest]

Pre-meditated order? Gah! I mean murder.

[anonymous]

[GregT] I always go back to JMS's claim that he made the entire first season of Babylon 5 for less than the cost of the Voyager pilot.

[dalekboy]

It's true. At the time Voyager cost around 22 million, meanwhile B5 was coming in at well under 1 million an episode.

V is not Battlestar Galactica (Either one)

[jocko55]

The original V series nearly broke the studio, with bulk overtime and cost over-runs. I find the new version uninvolving. At least the original nazis from space had red uniform--grey and corporate is not dark, just dull. Is Pixar the only studio who dares to use colours?

Re: V is not Battlestar Galactica (Either one)

[dalekboy]

I still remember decoding the Visitor symbols into english and finding in the last episode one of the monitors talks about how they have no money :)

Yeah, I've seen maybe 5 episodes of New V. It's not bad, but it hasn't engaged me at all.

Other studios use colours, but they're mostly blue and orange.