Well, I'm just transferring this mini-debate over to my journal since Miriam seems to freak out every time I mention this subject in her journal...
Let's see here:
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They can't understand the importance of the Mass if it looks like a Protestant worship service... Change the Mass back to the Catholic Mass and people will go.
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Also, the Norvus Ordo Mass is not a protestant service. It is Eucharist centered. Saying the Mass in the vernacular doesn't make it invalid. The faithful have every reason to go for this reason!
The fact that the truths of the Church aren't being well-taught by the priests is not the cause of the Mass. If that's the case, how can you explain the strong Orthodoxy of, say, diocese in the Nebraska area?
God Bless you, too. :)
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No bishop or council can be infallible without the Pope's express statement that it is. Perhaps so as to clear this up, I'll quote the First Vatican Council, an infallible council, which dealt with this very issue. Firstly, this is the time and only time in which Church teaching is extraordinary magisterium and thus infallible by the very act:
9. Therefore, faithfully adhering to the tradition received from the beginning of the Christian faith, to the glory of God our savior, for the exaltation of the Catholic religion and for the salvation of the Christian people, with the approval of the Sacred Council, we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or ( ... )
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What gives you the authority to deem it as such?
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God Bless!
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You can't argue with the Church...
and have such a twisted view of them
Interesting; you have to be able to support that claim, or otherwise you are falling into an ad hominum fallacy.
The authority that exists in Pope Benedict XVI and the college of Bishops is the one I follow.
It is the same authority that I follow, although I would distinguish between the Pope and his College since only the Pope and the bishop of this diocese has jurisdiction over me. Anyway, yes, I follow any authoritative thing they present to me; if I am presented something non-authoritative which is detrimental to the Faith, then I must do as St. Robert Bellarmine and St. Paul say to do.
I will always stand by my Church, even to death.
I hope you are standing by the Church; make sure you are not following unwittingly, however, a church not founded by Christ. I am willing to and will probably die for my stance with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
God Bless!
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