Nationalism

[da_lj]

Blame America... and oh yeah, the Jews is a review in this week's Globe and Mail Books section, of a new book, Uncouth Nation: Why Europe Dislikes America by Andrei Markovits. The book sounds challenging: how opinion of the US in Europe has been prejudicially negative (giving a number of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" examples, such as

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[dcseain]

I got punched in the stomach in the 3rd grade because i would not condemn the Russian people as communists. I felt strongly that most Russians were not responsible for the transgressions of the Soviet government, and were just trying to live their lives. This did no go over well with one of my peers.

Speaking as a Unitedstatesian, i think that nationalism, as it exists in many places, is a bit foreign to us. My personal identity is Washingtonian, American, Virginian, in that order. I grew up in Northern VA, just outside of DC. Would i fight to defend my state? Probably not. My country? That's more likely, but my country, to me, is ideas - The Constitution - and i would fight to uphold those ideas much moreso, and more willingly, than any political unit or political strategy.

I've noticed that some states, such as the ones in New England, New Jersey, Maryland, Texas, California, for example, have much stronger state identities than many of us from other states whom i know. Oddly among the small states, most Delawareans whom i've met

[melted_snowball]

Um, you misspelled Judaism.

This is interesting. I'm looking forward to reading this review.

[da_lj]

*confused* I didn't use the word Judaism?

[melted_snowball]

It's one of the tags for this post.

[da_lj]

*facepalm*

[icedrake]

Consider the following: Would your opinion (both of the book and the reviewer) be different if the quote
"At stake here, however, is much more than mere vanity. The Americans don't really have much else besides that for which they stand."
was not authored by the reviewer, but attributed to the book's author who is, in fact, American?

katfeete had the experience of attending a year of school in NZ. Part of the international student orientation was asking each group to present something of their homeland's culture. The response of a group of Californians who were in attendance?
"We're American, we don't have a culture."

I'm not sure where I'm going with this; maybe if you reply, it'll help my thoughts gel. Or congeal :)

[psychedelicbike]

"We're American, we don't have a culture."

*jaw drops*
*big grin*

Apologetically now - I guess they weren't surfers.

[da_lj]

was not authored by the reviewer, but attributed to the book's author who is, in fact, American?

Probably. I think it was out of place in the article, which is the author's fault. But if it were part of a larger statement by the author, I could see reading it constructively in context, although it would still be a challenging statement for me.

It's an interesting question, what would I present if asked about my homeland's culture. I might mention Maple Syrup, which is a fairly "photogenic" part of the economy of Upstate NY where my parents live.

Or, if I didn't think of that, I might talk about the culture of higher education that I seem to have wound up in, as a culture of choice, which is interesting because it isn't particularly national. But, in a sense, my homeland isn't particularly national either.

Take that as you will. :)

[melted_snowball]

I would tend to argue that there are lots of things that are characteristic of American culture. I think that a difference is that Americans don't spend as much time being self-congratulatory about the existence of their culture; we really don't have to.

[fyddlestyx]

Interesting discussion. When I think of MY culture, I think of my culture, formerly, as a Philadelphian, and the past 20 years, as a Vermonter. Specifically, the Vermont culture, I think, feels exceptionally strong to me, more so than identifying as an American (something I more and more dread identifying as). But Vermont culture feels tangible to me.. we seem to have a fiercely independant political culture, a culture of a small but proud state. When I identify myself when visiting friends in Quebec, I never say I'm American, I say I'm from Vermont.
We may not all be extra crunch granola here (tho I identify more with that part of the culture), but most Vermonters are darned proud to be Vermonters. Must be something in these hills.

Oh.. and my favorite brand of Magic Hat Beer is "Mother Lager".. complete with Soviet-proletariat style art and a 'made in the People's Republic of Vermont' on the bottom. Genius design.