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lady_drace November 21 2009, 06:44:11 UTC
That's it. I need to read/watch Twilight. I need to know what this is all about!

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cyranothe2nd November 21 2009, 06:47:42 UTC
Oh no, please NO!!!!!! You will get sucked into Twihard and never ever escape. Srsly, I recommend reading Cleo's recaps of the books. Way better written than the series and hella funny.
http://cleolinda.livejournal.com/602881.html

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lady_drace November 21 2009, 07:08:50 UTC
Will check it out. Thanks!

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lady_drace November 21 2009, 07:21:02 UTC
Ok, I ate it up and I'm gobsmacked! How can a writer that bad become such an icon????? Jeez!

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j_brisby November 22 2009, 11:09:15 UTC
Far be it from me to defend Twilight as literature, but as far as Bella being a passive character goes, I think you've missed the point. Teenagers like Bella because they feel the way she does -- small in a world too big for them. But the point of the series is that Bella grows. She starts out helpless, needing protection from whoever's closest, but ends as the equal to any character in the book. There's a lot of ways to interpret the series metaphorically, but the way I interpret it, becoming a vampire was a metaphor for becoming an adult. She wants to be a vampire, but she's afraid to be a vampire, but she has to become a vampire eventually, etc.etc.etc.
The series is mostly about the process of Bella's becoming an adult.

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cyranothe2nd November 22 2009, 23:30:38 UTC
But she doesn't grow in any important way, not internally, not as a character. She just discovers that she has cool powers as a vampire which is, frankly, a bit of Mary Sue writing IMO. It would be different if she was like Kitty from the Carrie Vaughn books. Those books start out with Kitty as a new werewolf in a pack with a really dominant, kind of jerky leader and through a series of events, the character grows, eventually defies the pack leader and leaves the pack to form her own.
Bella never really becomes an adult. In the end, she is just as dependent upon Edward and his family as she ever was. Yes, in the last book she defies Edward, but not on her own. She doesn't really do ANYTHING on her own. It's all about her leaning on others.
And I completely disagree about vampire being a metaphor for adulthood. I think that it's a metaphor for sex.

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j_brisby November 22 2009, 11:14:37 UTC
PS, I forgot to mention my candidate for annoying character! Randy Marsh from South Park.

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cyranothe2nd November 22 2009, 23:33:11 UTC
Ooooh, yes. Totally yes. All the adults on South Park are retarded.

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godwillnspire November 23 2009, 19:09:27 UTC
Good call on Draco. I remember getting really anxious in the 7th book, when the Slytherins were losing control of their fire spell, and Harry and Ron were trying to get out of the room upon a broomstick. I was scared for Draco, that he would die there... that cold, unrelenting justice would present itself and steal away his depserate life. All I could think was, "have mercy, have mercy, he's had death breathing down his neck since day one." I couldn't blame Ron for having no pity on Draco, seeing that he might not even be able to make it out of the room himself, with Harry. But I was so relieved that Harry saw through the curses of Draco's life and snatched him up.

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fatpie42 November 23 2009, 23:06:19 UTC
Um... you think Gaius Baltar is gay? His constant womanising is to hide the fact that he's actually in the closet? Seriously? *scratches head* (I mean, this isn't some sort of playground name-calling "oh my god thats so gay" reaction to him, is it?)

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cyranothe2nd November 23 2009, 23:12:46 UTC
I mean that he's gay. As in, he's really really lame.

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