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carpe_noir April 1 2008, 21:16:41 UTC
Not so much directly about grace, but have you heard Nick Cave's lecture, "The Flesh Made Word" which is on the album, "The Secret Life of the Love Song"? Think you might enjoy it; turns out that for all of the presumably standard way Cave uses words like "God," he's actually or also talking about something very different from what most people will infer.

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curgoth April 1 2008, 22:49:39 UTC
I haven't - I love Nick Cave, so I'll have to hunt that down.

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mycrazyhair April 2 2008, 00:22:03 UTC
Hmm. I think that the thing you call "grace" is similar to what I call "joy" except that, for me, joy has an element of peace to it.

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curgoth April 2 2008, 02:21:11 UTC
There's an element of peace to what I call grace, too - I suspect we're talking about the same thing.

It sort of figures that I focus on the "nothing you can do to earn it" part while you focus on the joy, doesn't it?

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mycrazyhair April 2 2008, 12:00:50 UTC
Our focuses do not surprise me, no.

Joy is a blessing. No, that's not the quite right word - that implies that Someone is giving it to you. Instead, it seems to me that joy is something that you find by great good fortune. Then, if you're really lucky, you can just let yourself be in the moment, letting go of past errors and injustices and fears for the future, and revel in the joy you've found.

Life is good, truly.

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dairymilk April 2 2008, 01:26:33 UTC
That was beautiful.

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locus_ofcontrol April 2 2008, 01:31:27 UTC
You move me. You make me think.

These are good things in my world. I'm glad you are in it.

Thank you.

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