Personally, I'd count that as queer-baiting, as it wasn't followed up with anything consequential in what we saw onscreen. Other people's mileage may vary.
Well put. I forget sometimes (since I'm not as active in fandom) how loud and opinionated (and hateful) people can be about these things. I'm like you - I'd be happy either way. I just want there to continue to be a relationship to work on - one that's difficult and requires forgiveness and sometimes is based on faith because that's what real relationships/friendships are like (even when you aren't dying every second week or saving the world on Wednesdays.) I'm more interested in the dynamic and how complex it can be, and I really hope they let Dean understand his own role in Castiel's situation. Cas has been kind enough to remind Dean that he's not responsible for Cas's decisions; now maybe Dean needs to remind Cas that love and friendship are based in caring for the person even when they do something you don't agree with.
I actually want them to keep working on the Sam and Dean, and Sam and Cas relationships too, because all three are more interesting when they are working through stuff together. It's just all around more interesting when the show isn't focused around a twosome all the time.
I also want more Garth and Kevin and Charley. :)
But yes, a more complex and intimate relationship between Cas and Dean, whatever the flavour, would make me very happy. They are both so lonely, and I want to see how they go about making their connection better suit their needs.
Another example of a character coming out mid-show is Kerry Weaver, on ER. She wasn't a main character, I'd say, but she was a regular cast member on the ensemble show. She had several on-screen relationships, one of which ended up involving a court case (her partner died, and the partner's parents took sole custody of their son), but the relationships were never with other regular cast members.
I'm really enjoying hearing about so many queer characters. It's reassuring; although most of them are still secondary characters and not a major focus. One day!
i'm still trying to comprehend the fact that there are anti-Dean/Cas folk, and the 'anti' is intense enough to to trigger feelings of hatred for the 'ship. actually, i've never understood how people can be that virulent about anything, pro *or* con. passionate, yes, and passionately coming up with reasons why a pairing 'can't be' - but virulent? dude, it's *fiction*. all cultural discussions aside, in the end, it's what we do in day-to-day life that's important, and fiction is our gravy, not our meat and potatoes.
that said, if Dean/Cas became canon, i'd be watching Supernatural with a completely surface-deep love of PRETTEH MENZ. because at that point, my libido kicks in, and it's all over but the hormones....
actually, i think my libido got me caught up in fandom, general, in the first place, so i'm right on track for this one....
Well, there's nothing wrong with joining the fandom for that reason. Hormones are important. I don't think we pay enough attention to our embodied experiences.
It's not the main reason I'm at the party, but it's not like I'm immune to a pretty face either. And to be fair, there is a lot of pretty in Supernatural.
i run about half-and-half 'horribly shallow' and 'thinky'. SPN is one of my 'horribly shallow' fandoms. i enjoy it for the horror stories and the plot line, and i'm not too worried about things hanging together or the STATEMENTS the characters can make. i know they can, and i'm delighted when other people decide to rampant!meta on SPN, but it's not my bag.
my 'thinky' fandoms tend to be Highlander, Sentinel, and Pretender. i don't interact much with any of them anymore, but long, deep discussions on what the characters do, say, and the text, subtext, and more-text there-on was awesome in those fandoms.
SPN isn't thinky for me - they jumped that particular shark when they implied that the Hindu Gods and Goddesses were pretty weak compared to the majority of Christian demons, who don't even rate *fallen angel* status, most of the time.
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I also want more Garth and Kevin and Charley. :)
But yes, a more complex and intimate relationship between Cas and Dean, whatever the flavour, would make me very happy. They are both so lonely, and I want to see how they go about making their connection better suit their needs.
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that said, if Dean/Cas became canon, i'd be watching Supernatural with a completely surface-deep love of PRETTEH MENZ. because at that point, my libido kicks in, and it's all over but the hormones....
actually, i think my libido got me caught up in fandom, general, in the first place, so i'm right on track for this one....
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It's not the main reason I'm at the party, but it's not like I'm immune to a pretty face either. And to be fair, there is a lot of pretty in Supernatural.
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my 'thinky' fandoms tend to be Highlander, Sentinel, and Pretender. i don't interact much with any of them anymore, but long, deep discussions on what the characters do, say, and the text, subtext, and more-text there-on was awesome in those fandoms.
SPN isn't thinky for me - they jumped that particular shark when they implied that the Hindu Gods and Goddesses were pretty weak compared to the majority of Christian demons, who don't even rate *fallen angel* status, most of the time.
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