Sucks for the married father of two kids the angel was possessing. Did anyone else think he bore an uncanny resemblance to Grandpa Winchester?
You know I never even thought about the fact that now there is a woman left without her husband and two kids have lost their father :(. And I hadn't seen it mentioned by anyone else until now. I think it just goes to show that the brothers aren't the only ones who have become desensitised to the killing of angel and demon hosts :(
(and the truck driver ignores the various things Cas says that sound truly batshit).
Yeah the poor truck driver must have thought Cas was crazy haha. I think he just thought Castiel was dehydrated and hallucinating as a result hence his multiple attempts to persuade Castiel to drink some water!
If Castiel could regularly invade Dean's dreams, why wouldn't Death be able to invade Sam's head?
Plus we know from episodes such as In My Time of Dying and Death's Door that a reaper is always there to escort a dying person to the afterlife. If
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Yeah, there are a lot of things in this premiere that have me a little edgy, but I'm holding back until I see more. Some excellent points have been raised here and elsewhere and I guess my biggest "eurgh" is how the writers are going to handle it; the right way (imho)--to actually DEAL with some of these issues instead of half-heartedly poking it a little before going right back to the status quo, or the wrong--brushing it all aside or pasting it over in an episode or two and going back to the same old stuff, which will eventually kill the show if they decide not to let the characters grow. I enjoy angst but not the same angst over and over and over again. I would hope that at some point if it becomes clear the writers aren't interested in doing anything else, that maybe Jensen and Jared could be advocates for their characters and say "Look, we're just treading water like this, let's get out of this rut."
I've occasionally wondered how J & J feel about this stuff. In the French Mistake the director says, "We'll have to lose the scene where the boys sit on the trunk of the Impala and talk about their feelings."
From what Jared said in his Girlonguy podcast, I didn't get the impression that they have a lot of control over the larger material or arcs.
I doubt they'll bring as heavy a cannon as Lucifer into the season. Then it's end of the world all over again.
One thing I might have mentioned above, how did the angels get so many people to say "yes"? They seem to just get possessed, like that dad at the dinner table or the grief counselor.
I don't know, I get the distinct 'lol canon' vibe from Carver so often that I never know what to think about the work arounds that seem to pop up sometimes.
But at the end, the show took a hard right into all-too-familiar territory. Sam's possessed/fucked up/sick (fill in the blank)! Dean has to keep the Big Secret from him! Uh, guys? How come we couldn't have had a continuation of the brotherly honesty that made "Sacrifice" so incredible??
I'm no big moral defender of Dean's behavior, but from a general behavioral perspective, was anyone really expecting him to break a lifetime of habits overnight? I mean, literally overnight. That's what people do when they're as scared as he was, is what's familiar, especially if what's familiar gives them some sense of control. Dean at least acknowledging that he *shouldn't* be doing what he always does is a surprisingly big step forward under the circumstances.
So much this. I was completely not surprised by his desperation and as much as I hate seeing Dean do the really wrong thing (no matter how he tries to justify it), he has always been willing to do whatever it took to keep his brother alive and has always put Sam in front of every other consideration, and frankly I'd have been surprised if he'd acted otherwise.
Honestly, I was surprised that's the solution Dean went for. As Bobby pointed out about Dean's demon deal, "And we all know how well THAT worked out!" It's so cruel to wipe Sam's memory...at least let him remember some of being in the hospital so it's not a repeat of last season's mind-wipes. I get that Dean is desperate, but I also think that not only is the angel possession going to bite him in the ass, so is Sam's actual decision (at the time) that he wanted to die.
Yeah, this isn't like Death putting up the wall in Sam's mind, which was for his own protection; this is taking something from him just to keep him from finding out what really happened, and yeah--this is going to come back on Dean really hard and I'm with whoever said that if the writers have Sam huff for a while and then drop it it will be a complete shitpile and a lot of folks, I think, are going to stop watching if that happens. I'm invested enough that I HAVE to see how this wild ride ends, but it would certainly suck a lot of enjoyment out of it for me.
AHHH, thank you for that still of Cas at the washing machine!! It, uh ... it illuminated several very important points about the episode--yeah, that's it! ;-D
Yes, Ezekiel's "psych!" moment. Pretty sure if a vessel has to say yes, they have to know who they're saying yes TO, but ah well, it ain't the only continuity/lore/mythology problem this episode had. It's a fun ride nevertheless.
Since, as stated before, angels are lying assholes, this is going to end badly.
Perfect statement is perfect.
Sam, you really should have never left Stamford. Or Kermit, Texas.Sadly, all too true
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Sucks for the married father of two kids the angel was possessing. Did anyone else think he bore an uncanny resemblance to Grandpa Winchester?
You know I never even thought about the fact that now there is a woman left without her husband and two kids have lost their father :(. And I hadn't seen it mentioned by anyone else until now. I think it just goes to show that the brothers aren't the only ones who have become desensitised to the killing of angel and demon hosts :(
(and the truck driver ignores the various things Cas says that sound truly batshit).
Yeah the poor truck driver must have thought Cas was crazy haha. I think he just thought Castiel was dehydrated and hallucinating as a result hence his multiple attempts to persuade Castiel to drink some water!
If Castiel could regularly invade Dean's dreams, why wouldn't Death be able to invade Sam's head?
Plus we know from episodes such as In My Time of Dying and Death's Door that a reaper is always there to escort a dying person to the afterlife. If ( ... )
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Death was absolutely majestic in this episode.
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From what Jared said in his Girlonguy podcast, I didn't get the impression that they have a lot of control over the larger material or arcs.
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Oh yes. MTE. And whatever happened to 'angles need special vessels'? Hence the bloodlines for creating Dean and Sam for Michael and Lucifer?
So if Sam is a Lucy Suit, who the hell is Ezekiel?
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One thing I might have mentioned above, how did the angels get so many people to say "yes"? They seem to just get possessed, like that dad at the dinner table or the grief counselor.
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I'm no big moral defender of Dean's behavior, but from a general behavioral perspective, was anyone really expecting him to break a lifetime of habits overnight? I mean, literally overnight. That's what people do when they're as scared as he was, is what's familiar, especially if what's familiar gives them some sense of control. Dean at least acknowledging that he *shouldn't* be doing what he always does is a surprisingly big step forward under the circumstances.
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Yes, Ezekiel's "psych!" moment. Pretty sure if a vessel has to say yes, they have to know who they're saying yes TO, but ah well, it ain't the only continuity/lore/mythology problem this episode had. It's a fun ride nevertheless.
Since, as stated before, angels are lying assholes, this is going to end badly.
Perfect statement is perfect.
Sam, you really should have never left Stamford. Or Kermit, Texas.Sadly, all too true ( ... )
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