Hannibal 2x01: "Kaiseki," part two

[cleolinda]

PREVIOUSLY ON: PART ONE OF THE PREMIERE: Everything was terrible and nobody had any boundaries; the episode began with an already-infamous mutual ass-kicking; Hannibal Lecter is the New Will Graham, and the Old Will Graham wants him to step on all the Legos and die. Also: sushi.

Comments

[cleolinda]

Yeah, it's interesting that Will's loneliness while incarcerated is such a thing, because... it's not really a whole lot different from his regular life, in terms of whether people are in the room with him or not. I guess it's not so much the quantity of personal interactions so much as the quality; he's getting visits from his former coworkers, but they're all very painful, as opposed to the positive interactions he would have with, say, Beverly at the lab. And he doesn't have his dogs, of course. To me it seems more like he's lost his physical freedom, which is why, in his mind, he goes fishing in this big, open, natural space. I mean, you'll notice he's not imagining happy, comforting interactions with people or dogs when he goes there. He's still alone, and that seems peaceful for him

[vivian_lake]

You don't need to feel apologetic for that, really.

I do believe that before the fallout Will needed him in *some* way, but Lecter was the more, um, emotionally involved party.

[ivy_b]

Yeah, it's interesting that Will's loneliness while incarcerated is such a thing, because... it's not really a whole lot different from his regular life, in terms of whether people are in the room with him or not. I guess it's not so much the quantity of personal interactions so much as the quality; he's getting visits from his former coworkers, but they're all very painful, as opposed to the positive interactions he would have with, say, Beverly at the lab. And he doesn't have his dogs, of course. To me it seems more like he's lost his physical freedom, which is why, in his mind, he goes fishing in this big, open, natural space. I mean, you'll notice he's not imagining happy, comforting interactions with people or dogs when he goes there. He's still alone, and that seems peaceful for him.Well, I think a big part of it is the physical limitation- he can't go anywhere, he's caged, people dictate to him every part of his day, he can't exactly walk away if he doesn't want to interact with anyone and he's stuck with Chilton, fumbling

[islandofwords]

Re: Will's loneliness: I think a lot of it is space and restriction of movement, but I also think it has a lot to do with choice. I mean, if you're the loner type (as I am, so I speak from experience a bit here), there's a big difference between being alone because that's what you want and you enjoy your company and being alone because you have no other option. Introverts really need to have that choice or it can be really lonely. Will's lost a lot of his support structure/his friends/his dogs, and that's probably very lonely feeling, but having the option to seek out company that's wanted (even if it's not the company you originally intended) can go a long way toward abating loneliness that's forced on you or the loss of specific people.

The lack of choice over when to be alone versus when to be with people is incredibly draining. Add in Frederick's mind fumbling (especially when company of any kind isn't wanted, nevermind Chilton's), and that's a recipe for disaster.

[ivy_b]

Re: Will's loneliness: I think a lot of it is space and restriction of movement, but I also think it has a lot to do with choice. I mean, if you're the loner type (as I am, so I speak from experience a bit here), there's a big difference between being alone because that's what you want and you enjoy your company and being alone because you have no other option...

The lack of choice over when to be alone versus when to be with people is incredibly draining. Add in Frederick's mind fumbling (especially when company of any kind isn't wanted, nevermind Chilton's), and that's a recipe for disaster.As another loner, I completely agree. Most of the time I just want to be alone at home, doing my own thing, sometimes I want to be around people, go out, have a drink, etc. But it has to be by choice. I was in the IDF and did Reserve duty for a while and nothing gave me mini-panic attacks like the thought of going to the closed base and being forced to stay there for several days at a time, doing 12 hour shifts, having my schedule dictated to me